Next-gen Wrangler will keep solid axles
JK Super Freak
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,448
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From: Danville, Indiana
I really don't get the diesel desire. Yes, it has low end torque, but a turbo setup can get you there. I have a 3.5 liter Ecoboost in my new Ford Transit van that puts out 400lbs of torque, nice and low in the rpm band. It is a real stump puller that moves this van 0-60 in barely over 7 seconds. That's a 15 passenger behemoth, folks. If that engine were in a Wrangler, it would be unbelievable. I'd love to see something like that, rather than a diesel. The problems with the diesel are first, initial cost. It would come at a premium price, which I wouldn't be able to afford. 2nd, with all the BS about fuel economy, the diesel fuel costs significantly more than gasoline. If fuel prices skyrocket, demand for diesel barely subsides because of commercial demand. Gasoline demand, however, usually falls significantly because people drive less for pleasure, easing the price pressure on it and making the price gap even greater than it is now. Finally, you have to buy diesel piss (urea) for emissions. There's an additional cost no-one factors in when they think of fuel cost, but it is there, and it adds up. More diesels on the road means more demand, which means higher cost.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
JK Super Freak
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: Nokesville, Va
I really don't get the diesel desire. Yes, it has low end torque, but a turbo setup can get you there. I have a 3.5 liter Ecoboost in my new Ford Transit van that puts out 400lbs of torque, nice and low in the rpm band. It is a real stump puller that moves this van 0-60 in barely over 7 seconds. That's a 15 passenger behemoth, folks. If that engine were in a Wrangler, it would be unbelievable. I'd love to see something like that, rather than a diesel. The problems with the diesel are first, initial cost. It would come at a premium price, which I wouldn't be able to afford. 2nd, with all the BS about fuel economy, the diesel fuel costs significantly more than gasoline. If fuel prices skyrocket, demand for diesel barely subsides because of commercial demand. Gasoline demand, however, usually falls significantly because people drive less for pleasure, easing the price pressure on it and making the price gap even greater than it is now. Finally, you have to buy diesel piss (urea) for emissions. There's an additional cost no-one factors in when they think of fuel cost, but it is there, and it adds up. More diesels on the road means more demand, which means higher cost. You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
JK Junkie
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,013
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From: West Richland Washington
I really don't get the diesel desire. Yes, it has low end torque, but a turbo setup can get you there. I have a 3.5 liter Ecoboost in my new Ford Transit van that puts out 400lbs of torque, nice and low in the rpm band. It is a real stump puller that moves this van 0-60 in barely over 7 seconds. That's a 15 passenger behemoth, folks. If that engine were in a Wrangler, it would be unbelievable. I'd love to see something like that, rather than a diesel. The problems with the diesel are first, initial cost. It would come at a premium price, which I wouldn't be able to afford. 2nd, with all the BS about fuel economy, the diesel fuel costs significantly more than gasoline. If fuel prices skyrocket, demand for diesel barely subsides because of commercial demand. Gasoline demand, however, usually falls significantly because people drive less for pleasure, easing the price pressure on it and making the price gap even greater than it is now. Finally, you have to buy diesel piss (urea) for emissions. There's an additional cost no-one factors in when they think of fuel cost, but it is there, and it adds up. More diesels on the road means more demand, which means higher cost.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2014
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A diesel raptor would cost at least 60k, if I'm spending that kind of money on a vehicle I'm buying a Lexus as my DD and then have the jeep as a weekend warrior. If you have the funds to spend that kind of money on a vehicle, you can afford a second vehicle.
One of the guys at work has a raptor, paid just over 50k for it.
So the diesel version would easily hit 60k if not more.
One of the guys at work has a raptor, paid just over 50k for it.
So the diesel version would easily hit 60k if not more.
JK Super Freak
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,205
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From: Oxford, AL
I really don't get the diesel desire. Yes, it has low end torque, but a turbo setup can get you there. I have a 3.5 liter Ecoboost in my new Ford Transit van that puts out 400lbs of torque, nice and low in the rpm band. It is a real stump puller that moves this van 0-60 in barely over 7 seconds. That's a 15 passenger behemoth, folks. If that engine were in a Wrangler, it would be unbelievable. I'd love to see something like that, rather than a diesel. The problems with the diesel are first, initial cost. It would come at a premium price, which I wouldn't be able to afford. 2nd, with all the BS about fuel economy, the diesel fuel costs significantly more than gasoline. If fuel prices skyrocket, demand for diesel barely subsides because of commercial demand. Gasoline demand, however, usually falls significantly because people drive less for pleasure, easing the price pressure on it and making the price gap even greater than it is now. Finally, you have to buy diesel piss (urea) for emissions. There's an additional cost no-one factors in when they think of fuel cost, but it is there, and it adds up. More diesels on the road means more demand, which means higher cost.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.
You guys go buy up all those diesels, if they make them, and I'll take a turbo set up like an Ecoboost. Man, what I'd give to put an Ecoboost in my JK! That thing would blow your mind! If you think not, you should drive my van with 15 people and cargo in it. You would be shocked at how quick it is off the line and passing from 50 to 70. It puts a huge smile on my face, every time. My old Chevy with the 6.0 V8 absolutely pales in comparison, and it would eat the Transit's dust in a drag race. Btw, the Transit gets about 5mpg better than I could get in my Chevy, even with a tailwind. The Ecoboost in the Transit is detuned, too. Imagine it with the full 340 or so hp in its most powerful rendition. Mine has 310, or something like that.