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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 7kings
Now, don't get me started on those lame 2-door JKs!)

Oh, now it's on! A hill can look like this and we don't get high centered: /\

Originally Posted by Johngordon
What I love is the guys who take the manual side of the debate and then push the button to make their automatic windows go down.
Still love my crank windows and manual trans, but I rarely see the crank since I bought my trail doors. I run those things 32* and up rain or shine
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 7kings
Let's not get that fight started (especially since everyone knows that JKUs are clearly better - they even had to add an extra letter to "JK" just to accommodate the sheer coolness of it!)
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RoysRig
I just get tired of the same old threads that seam have the same old intentions and that is to divide the members. You might as well go ahead and start another one of those which is better 2 door or 4 door threads. I mean it's been what a week since we had one of those?
Don't forget body-colored hardtops and fenders

I mean it's bad enough we got commie/fascist/socialists doing a bang-up job of dividing the country already as it is as everyone just watches it go down the toilet, might as well go FULL RETARD.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:24 PM
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Let's not forget, the original Jeep was a manual 2 door. Thanks to soccer moms and families with more than 2 rug rats, the 4 door auto now outsells the 2 door 7 to 3, I believe. Don't hate. If all they made were 2 door manuals still, you wouldn't have one. So be thankful Hummer went civilian and Jeep decided to take their market share. That's why you're on this forum.

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cutman
Let's not forget, the original Jeep was a manual 2 door. Thanks to soccer moms and families with more than 2 rug rats, the 4 door auto now outsells the 2 door 7 to 3, I believe. Don't hate. If all they made were 2 door manuals still, you wouldn't have one. So be thankful Hummer went civilian and Jeep decided to take their market share. That's why you're on this forum.

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 7kings

Who, me?
No. Nobody and everybody. Mainly just wanted to throw Jack into this debate. 2 doors have the edge now
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cutman
Let's not forget, the original Jeep was a manual 2 door.
The original jeeps were manual .... but technically they didn't have doors.

One of the first cars I drove was my grandfather's 1953 (50th anniversary edition) Ford Customline. It was your basic 3 on the column.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/208291551488295370/

Then there was the 64' Chevy Apache 10 step-side. Also 3 on the column.
Bildergalerie Chevrolet S10 Stepside Hot Rod 1964

My '70 VW Beetle, '72 Super Beetle, '73 Dodge Colt (Mitsubishi Gallant), '76 Dodge Colt, '73 Triumph TR6 were all floor shifters.
Triumph TR6

The TR6 was my last stick. Sure I've driven sticks since then: bucket trucks, box trucks, dump trucks, even my daughter's Unimog, but never owned another myself.
http://heavycherry.com/imgs/a/a/v/e/...1966_2_lgw.jpg
(portal are amazing for ground clearance, just not made for highway speeds)

When I got my 2010 JKUS (now up to 4 letters) I just couldn't bring myself to having a stick in a 4-door "luxury" Jeep Sahara. It's not that I can't shift for myself, I just figured with all the computer crap in new cars, it should handle that little task for me. Besides, I've been an automation engineer for 40 years now and I like the idea of machines having a personality and thinking for themselves.

Now for today's rationalization: I would still choose an auto today for a JKUS mainly because with 35s and 4.88 gears, auto, having a torque converter, is gentler on the drive train.

P.S.: Electric windows and locks are a necessity, not an option!
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 08:35 PM
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Prior to buying my JK I was in a bad accident and have nerve damage in my right arm. I also have lifetime warranty which fully covers auto but doesn't cover clutch on manual. I thought an auto was the best choice for me. Doesn't matter how bad my day is , when I get behind the wheel of my JK I am instantly in a great mood. Maybe it's not the trans...maybe it's because i chose the 2dr? All kidding aside, I can't image being more connected to my Jeep even with an auto. Btw, this is my first auto and every once in a while I will forget and start to lift my left foot. It has been 6yrs since my accident and my arm is much stronger, next vehicle might be stick but I will have no shame if it is another auto.
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Old Mar 20, 2015 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 7kings
If you enjoy driving a manual, that's great. If you prefer an automatic, that's awesome too. I used to drive a stick before I trashed the knee on my clutch leg, and now I drive an auto.

That being said, claiming that you drive a stick because an automatic is moving you too far into a future where all cars will drive themselves, insulating you from the experience, and is sapping your driving skills is just silly. I'm pretty sure you didn't swap out your transmission for one without synchronizers or replace your clutch with a non-hydraulic version. Although it's possible, I also doubt you've disabled your ABS system, removed the rev-limiter, eliminated your brake booster, and did away with your power steering - all of which have made it easier to safely and efficiently operate and enjoy the modern motor vehicle (and don't forget TCS and SCS).

Enjoy your manual - I'm going to do the same with my automatic, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on the driving experience or that my skills are somehow inferior to anyone else's because of my choice of transmission.

We're all part of the same family, and I think we're all pretty cool (well, most of us )

(Now, don't get me started on those lame 2-door JKs!)
Do you think that the KOH vehicles, which is what I was writing about, have TCS/ABS/ESP? I'd be surprised. As for the rest of the things you cite: None of those things are computer controlled. Honestly, I figured someone would mention manual spark advance, not power steering, but I guess that goes back a wee too much. LOL.
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Old Mar 20, 2015 | 04:43 AM
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I still "clutch" mine sometimes, even though there's no peddle there.
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