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In these couple pictures those lowers don't look stock, but can't tell what is going on there which is why I was asking for a couple more pictures. The upper is definitely not stock either. One thing is VERY apparent though.....look at the angle on that lower arm. Jeesh. That can't be a terribly enjoyable ride.
IMO, if you plan to DD that jeep it would be best to either bring that down a few inches as Sixty4x4 suggested above, or start looking at long arm set up, cuz that is just too high for those short arms to handle well. That doesn't do much to address caster though. Lowering it is by far the smarter option.
As you can see they have been welded on a little bit I’m assuming. Was thinking on going with freedom off road 0-8” lift adjustment control arms to see if it makes a difference. If all else fails I’ll lower it down to a 4” lift
I can't claim to have "seen it all", but those are the oddest looking arms I've ever seen. No clue if that outer portion that appears bolted on is supposed to strengthen them or what, but seem like having all those holes drilled in the arms wouldn't be a great idea. Jeep still has factory DS with that huge lift.....jeesh.
I certainly try to be a little helpful rather than just dog folks, but that jeep has a lot going on to put it mildly. I realize you didn't set it up that way, and that becomes half the battle just trying to figure out what the previous owner did or why. I'd stick with the main issue here being that track bar height and its relationship with the drag link, but man, the caster and the general angle of those arms are just not helping the situation.
Given that axle side TB mount looks welded in as part of the truss, as someone else mentioned, this doesn't look like it will be a simple fix. You don't have a great reference point for where the factory mounting location was on the axle, but again, the TB mount should have been raised 3" over factory to match the 3" the DL was raised flipping it from the bottom to the top of the knuckle. The TB just looks way too high at the axle to me, as though the new mount raised it 4-6" (guestimating just by looks of picture and thinking the factory mount would have been below the "F" on that bracket).
Yes they look to be adjustable don’t know if I’d trust the stock arms to hold much. So I’m going to upgrade to long arms this week. Why would be left would be to figure out my geometry with brackets for my DL&TB without having to get a new axle housing.
Originally Posted by nthinuf
Are those front upper arms adjustable? Looks like jam nuts at the frame end.
If they can be lengthened, at least you could raise the caster to see if that helps any.
Appreciate it, I’m going to switch them with long arms this week and see if it changes much then onto the dr&tb. The blue brackets I’m sure are just on there for looks. The same pieces are bolted on to the axle housings in the rear. Still confused on how the front axle says “savage far” and has SF stamps on the back but can’t find anything on savage far. The rims are sf (specialty forged) but don’t think it would correlate with the axles. If you might know anything on that
Originally Posted by resharp001
I can't claim to have "seen it all", but those are the oddest looking arms I've ever seen. No clue if that outer portion that appears bolted on is supposed to strengthen them or what, but seem like having all those holes drilled in the arms wouldn't be a great idea. Jeep still has factory DS with that huge lift.....jeesh.
I certainly try to be a little helpful rather than just dog folks, but that jeep has a lot going on to put it mildly. I realize you didn't set it up that way, and that becomes half the battle just trying to figure out what the previous owner did or why. I'd stick with the main issue here being that track bar height and its relationship with the drag link, but man, the caster and the general angle of those arms are just not helping the situation.
Given that axle side TB mount looks welded in as part of the truss, as someone else mentioned, this doesn't look like it will be a simple fix. You don't have a great reference point for where the factory mounting location was on the axle, but again, the TB mount should have been raised 3" over factory to match the 3" the DL was raised flipping it from the bottom to the top of the knuckle. The TB just looks way too high at the axle to me, as though the new mount raised it 4-6" (guestimating just by looks of picture and thinking the factory mount would have been below the "F" on that bracket).
The more and more I look at all these pictures it just boggles my mind. I am pretty confident now they did modify those lower arms to accept a new joint on the ends. The uppers it is hard to tell cuz factory uppers don't have a big diameter like that. Maybe they chopped off the axle end and simply welded new tube to it and then threaded bung and joint for the frame end. The rear TB looks like it was factory and "modified" as well. It's almost like somebody could weld, not professionally btw, thought they could fabricate cheaper and also had access to a CNC machine which they just went crazy on. I can't imagine the time to F with all that was worth saving $1500 or so. The truss is just so over the top, and I just not noticed what they did with the shock mounts rather than running appropriate length shocks. . I can only guess they were trying to create some sort of branding with all that "savage far" stuff. Seems nothing out there trying to scour the internet for that but maybe I'm wrong.
I'd say lowering the jeep is going to be a lot better idea than trying to throw long arms on it. 6" is just too high and it's going to have a lot of the same issues. At that height you're just not going to be able to rotate the axle enough to get a decent bit of caster IMO. I have zero clue how that DS CV joint at the TC side is surviving as is. That is a really steep angle and those boots don't tend to last long. One thought on the steering, and I don't like it at all, is contemplating if lowering the DL with a drop pitman at the other end might bring it more inline with the TB. In general it's a terrible idea and creates other issues.
I will say, they really booggered up that front axle with the truss and those shock mounts. Definitely not a 5 min job to reverse a lot of that work.
Originally Posted by camoworld
Is that rear just riding on some sort of airbag where the coil would go? I can't tell what is going on there from the picture.