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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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Ok - drove down to Bedford yesterday alongwith Mark Doiron and TORN, and spent the whole day down there getting some stuff done on the JK:
  • Install Coast 1310 Rear Driveshaft
  • Install Front 1/2" Coil Spacer
  • Install Teraflex Rear Coil Perch & Coil Retainers
  • Install Teraflex Extended Steel Braided Brake Lines
  • Full Alignment

While everything looked fine in the beginning, once I got to speed, I realized that there were driveline vibrations that started at 60mph and got progressively worse till around 65mph and was fine after that. The steering was fine at first but by the time I was about half way home, it felt like there was a lot of play on the wheel (remember, we'd fixed this just a day back by replacing the metric bolt on the track-bar axle side with a 1/2" Standard). This morning, the play is now progressing into a mild DW on bumps - so I presume, the metric bolt installed (yes, again) might be the cause. Also, during the alignment, I was told the toe was off and corrected, and the caster set to 4.7 or thereabouts (have the sheet in the console) from the 5+ it was. So now, sadly, my JK is in a worse off shape than I started with. During the alignment they said the Full Traction Trackbar had siezed and they could not get it to extend or unbolt - probably the threads buggered up from the metric bolt? . So, ended up buying a new Teraflex Monster Front Trackbar (Sean gave me a decent deal on this).

So, now with the geometry corrected with the coil bowing in the back, new driveshaft, and a full alignment, my JK drives worse than it did before . Talked to Sean a little while back (I'd called him about soon after I found out about the driveline vibrations, but they were closed by that time) and he said that apparently when they installed the Teraflex Rear Upper control arms, it might've been the wrong arm (the rear UCAs are shortened as small as they'll go and the pinion is still off) - apparently, Teraflex makes two different lengths of Short Arms for the Rear Uppers and I need shorter arms since the axle needs to be pulled in closer for the pinion angle to be corrected. (This could've been the cause of my stock rear driveshaft going out - which incidentally, happened a few months after getting those arms on).

So, my excitement of FINALLY getting the JK all fixed was short lived since now, the recommendation is to go back to stock upper control arms, or to get rear adj lower arms to push the axle straight back to correct the pinion angle (not something I'm willing to do just yet). Needless to say, pretty bummed and disappointed over the whole deal. Sean's been great to work with so far, and offered a couple of options, but after having spent a whole day down there, 6+ hours traveling there and back and over $600 in parts and labor, I guess I expected better work. Just needed to vent without seeming like I was talking down SLC, but I think I might've just done my last visit to SLC ever.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptor_1972
So, my excitement of FINALLY getting the JK all fixed was short lived since now, the recommendation is to go back to stock upper control arms, or to get rear adj lower arms to push the axle straight back to correct the pinion angle (not something I'm willing to do just yet). Needless to say, pretty bummed and disappointed over the whole deal. Sean's been great to work with so far, and offered a couple of options, but after having spent a whole day down there, 6+ hours traveling there and back and over $600 in parts and labor, I guess I expected better work. Just needed to vent without seeming like I was talking down SLC, but I think I might've just done my last visit to SLC ever.
I am really sorry to hear about that. I too would be a little disappointed if I had spent as much time as you did to only receive your Jeep back in worse condition for upgrades that were supposed to make things better.

Seems really odd that they "might" have put the wrong control arms on your Jeep... seems like something that would be pretty obvious, those things come in boxes and are clearly marked.

So, whats your plan? It doesn't sound like you are going to be taking your Jeep back to them... do you plan on trying to fix it yourself? Sounds like we need to get another mod party scheduled to get you back up and running
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptor_1972
Ok - drove down to Bedford yesterday alongwith Mark Doiron and TORN, and spent the whole day down there getting some stuff done on the JK:

[*]Install Coast 1310 Rear Driveshaft[*]Install Front 1/2" Coil Spacer[*]Install Teraflex Rear Coil Perch & Coil Retainers[*]Install Teraflex Extended Steel Braided Brake Lines[*]Full Alignment


While everything looked fine in the beginning, once I got to speed, I realized that there were driveline vibrations that started at 60mph and got progressively worse till around 65mph and was fine after that. The steering was fine at first but by the time I was about half way home, it felt like there was a lot of play on the wheel (remember, we'd fixed this just a day back by replacing the metric bolt on the track-bar axle side with a 1/2" Standard). This morning, the play is now progressing into a mild DW on bumps - so I presume, the metric bolt installed (yes, again) might be the cause. Also, during the alignment, I was told the toe was off and corrected, and the caster set to 4.7 or thereabouts (have the sheet in the console) from the 5+ it was. So now, sadly, my JK is in a worse off shape than I started with. During the alignment they said the Full Traction Trackbar had siezed and they could not get it to extend or unbolt - probably the threads buggered up from the metric bolt? . So, ended up buying a new Teraflex Monster Front Trackbar (Sean gave me a decent deal on this).

So, now with the geometry corrected with the coil bowing in the back, new driveshaft, and a full alignment, my JK drives worse than it did before . Talked to Sean a little while back (I'd called him about soon after I found out about the driveline vibrations, but they were closed by that time) and he said that apparently when they installed the Teraflex Rear Upper control arms, it might've been the wrong arm (the rear UCAs are shortened as small as they'll go and the pinion is still off) - apparently, Teraflex makes two different lengths of Short Arms for the Rear Uppers and I need shorter arms since the axle needs to be pulled in closer for the pinion angle to be corrected. (This could've been the cause of my stock rear driveshaft going out - which incidentally, happened a few months after getting those arms on).

So, my excitement of FINALLY getting the JK all fixed was short lived since now, the recommendation is to go back to stock upper control arms, or to get rear adj lower arms to push the axle straight back to correct the pinion angle (not something I'm willing to do just yet). Needless to say, pretty bummed and disappointed over the whole deal. Sean's been great to work with so far, and offered a couple of options, but after having spent a whole day down there, 6+ hours traveling there and back and over $600 in parts and labor, I guess I expected better work. Just needed to vent without seeming like I was talking down SLC, but I think I might've just done my last visit to SLC ever.

Damn. That sux. Sorry to hear that. It's a shame you can't get shit done the right way the first time. Especially as far away as you are.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jwhitehorn
...I too would be a little disappointed if I had spent as much time as you did to only receive your Jeep back in worse condition for upgrades that were supposed to make things better.

Seems really odd that they "might" have put the wrong control arms on your Jeep... seems like something that would be pretty obvious, those things come in boxes and are clearly marked.

So, whats your plan? It doesn't sound like you are going to be taking your Jeep back to them... do you plan on trying to fix it yourself? Sounds like we need to get another mod party scheduled to get you back up and running
Yeah... Now, my priority is to get the pinion angle corrected before I blow the new 1310 rear driveshaft blows a U-joint. Sean is sending out a package with stock upper control arms - he said to try and use those for now and it might help with the pinion angle. My worry is that the stock UCA is not adjustable. What if the pinion angle is too low?

Not sure how they might've missed that; I didn't know there were two different lengths of the Rear UCAs made by TF till TORN told me about it. Definitely going to try and fix it myself - not sure how, but I'll figure out a way. Makes me wish I'd just stayed here and used the $600+ to buy a decent set of tools and done a mod party on the driveway - probably would've had better results.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:01 PM
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Are the Teraflex controll arms not adjustable?
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Coondog33
Damn. That sux. Sorry to hear that. It's a shame you can't get shit done the right way the first time. Especially as far away as you are.
Yeah, the more I think of it, it's just a sequence of events that caused things to go wrong. The wrong length of Rear UCA installed, which caused the rear coils to bow like they did, and probably had a wrong pinion angle then, which caused the stock rear driveshaft to wear out. They offered to fix it right if I brought it in - but I just don't have the luxury of taking another day off work (especially when you're commission-based sales, and have had as many bad weather days in February - a short month, to begin with) and drive another 3 hours down there and spend another day there.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jwhitehorn
Are the Teraflex controll arms not adjustable?
They are. But apparently, Teraflex makes two different lengths of Adjustable Rear UCAs - a long one (to be used in conjunction with Adjustable Rear LCAs) and a shorter one (to be used in conjunction with stock Rear LCAs). What they sold and installed the last time I was there a few months back, apparently is the longer version to be used with Adjustable Rear LCAs. It's been shortened as low as it'll go, and I need it to be shortened a few turns more. Either that, or get new Teraflex Adjustable Rear LCA and push the rear axle out back a little. My rear axle is currently sittling like this / and I need the top part of that slash to be moved to the front a little - or the bottom part of the slash to be moved to the back a little. If that makes sense.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:52 PM
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damn that SUCKS ! ! I have an idea but you might not be game take the uppers off and find a machine shop, have them cut about 1" to 1-1/2" off the arm and run a tap through it to clean up the threads.

How did the perches work out ? any bowing
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptor_1972
They are. But apparently, Teraflex makes two different lengths of Adjustable Rear UCAs - a long one (to be used in conjunction with Adjustable Rear LCAs) and a shorter one (to be used in conjunction with stock Rear LCAs). What they sold and installed the last time I was there a few months back, apparently is the longer version to be used with Adjustable Rear LCAs. It's been shortened as low as it'll go, and I need it to be shortened a few turns more. Either that, or get new Teraflex Adjustable Rear LCA and push the rear axle out back a little. My rear axle is currently sittling like this / and I need the top part of that slash to be moved to the front a little - or the bottom part of the slash to be moved to the back a little. If that makes sense.
exactly WHO installed the UCA's ? because i would think if it was a "shop" that they would do anything and everything to make it right with a repeat customer ! !
but i do know someone that could probably fix this problem or make you the right length arms but without the brand name price tag

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PainKiller
I have an idea but you might not be game take the uppers off and find a machine shop, have them cut about 1" to 1-1/2" off the arm and run a tap through it to clean up the threads...
Our truck manager at work (who's done a lot of fab work on his race car) suggested the same thing. But, I'd rather not go that route if I can avoid it. I've sent Joe @ Teraflex a PM on here to see if he might have a way to swap me the shorter UCAs in exchange for the ones I have. If that's not possible, I might have to go back to stock UCAs (and hope that the length is right for the pinion angle). Not too thrilled at the thought of having to go back to stock parts after paying money for the adjustable ones and paying to have it installed . Plus, there's always the possibility that it might end up being too short.

The perch worked out great. The coils sit straight now, but if the wrong length rear UCA caused the coil to bow, I'm starting to wonder if putting the right sized UCA (stock or aftermarket) will put the perch off again and make it lean towards the gas tank?
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