Benefits of different bumpers...
JK Junkie
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From: Central Georgia
Sorry I didn't see that it was actually bolted into the frame no need to get jumpy. I seriously thought it was just bolted into the front of the bumper. Makes a bit more sense now as to why they chose that design. Next time I'll have to do a bit more homework... 
Yeah, like WOL said, those 8 bolts are the bolts that hold your bumper on, the same 8 bolts that hold the factory tow hooks and bumper on.
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Former Vendor
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I'll just explain why we do our recovery points like we do. As everyone knows, having a recovery point fail under load is a very serious safety issue. I don't like to take any chances at all with safety issues.
There is nothing wrong with bolting things on. After all, the bumper itself is bolted on, but unless the bolted-on recovery point is cast, forged or machined from a single piece of steel, it still has to be welded to a plate. Welding them to the face of a bumper or welding them to a plate means that weld had better not fail.
I prefer a mechanical interference fit where even if the welds fail, the tab still wont come out w/o a massive force applied to it. Our tabs are bigger than the hole in the bumper, inserted from the rear, then welded front and rear. This prevents the weld from being a single point of failure, almost triples the amount of weld holding them on and removes the weld as a single point of failure since it would still have to be ripped through the small hole in the bumper even if all the welds failed. This is probably overkill, but it does what it needs to do.
Pics will probably explain this better so I'll post some in a minute.
There is nothing wrong with bolting things on. After all, the bumper itself is bolted on, but unless the bolted-on recovery point is cast, forged or machined from a single piece of steel, it still has to be welded to a plate. Welding them to the face of a bumper or welding them to a plate means that weld had better not fail.
I prefer a mechanical interference fit where even if the welds fail, the tab still wont come out w/o a massive force applied to it. Our tabs are bigger than the hole in the bumper, inserted from the rear, then welded front and rear. This prevents the weld from being a single point of failure, almost triples the amount of weld holding them on and removes the weld as a single point of failure since it would still have to be ripped through the small hole in the bumper even if all the welds failed. This is probably overkill, but it does what it needs to do.
Pics will probably explain this better so I'll post some in a minute.
Last edited by shrockworks; May 10, 2007 at 10:10 AM.
JK Junkie
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: Central Georgia
I'll just explain why we do our recovery points like we do. As everyone know, having a recovery point fail under load is a very serious safety issue. I don't like to take any chances at all with safety issues.
There is nothing wrong with bolting things on. After all, the bumper itself is bolted on, but unless the bolted-on recovery point is cast, forged or machined from a single piece of steel, it still has to be welded to a plate. Welding them to the face of a bumper or welding them to a plate means that weld had better not fail.
I prefer a mechanical interference fit where even if the welds fail, the tab still wont come out w/o a massive force applied to it. Our tabs are bigger than the hole in the bumper, inserted from the rear, then welded front and rear. This prevents the weld from being a single point of failure, almost triples the amount of weld holding them on and removes the weld as a single point of failure since it would still have to be ripped through the small hole in the bumper even if all the welds failed. This is probably overkill, but it does what it needs to dol.
Pics will probably explain this better so I'll post some in a minute.
There is nothing wrong with bolting things on. After all, the bumper itself is bolted on, but unless the bolted-on recovery point is cast, forged or machined from a single piece of steel, it still has to be welded to a plate. Welding them to the face of a bumper or welding them to a plate means that weld had better not fail.
I prefer a mechanical interference fit where even if the welds fail, the tab still wont come out w/o a massive force applied to it. Our tabs are bigger than the hole in the bumper, inserted from the rear, then welded front and rear. This prevents the weld from being a single point of failure, almost triples the amount of weld holding them on and removes the weld as a single point of failure since it would still have to be ripped through the small hole in the bumper even if all the welds failed. This is probably overkill, but it does what it needs to dol.
Pics will probably explain this better so I'll post some in a minute.
Makes perfect sense to me. I think that would be very strong. Built this way, all of the force is not directly on the bolts, it's spread out from the recovery point to the bumper, to the bolts holding the bumper on, not from the recovery point directly to the bumper bolts, but hey, what do I know. And that's nothing against the PJ bumper. I'm using the Mopar bumper, which in essence, mounts like the PJ. I'm just curious about all of this, because I would like a Stubby bumper one day so I'm weighing the options.
Last edited by BLKRUBI; May 10, 2007 at 10:15 AM.
JK Freak
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From: Naples, fla.
LOL!! 
No apologize necessary. I just wasn't sure if you were really being serious. 
In all honesty, I don't think there is a stronger D-ring mount available for the JK today. Of course, this is not to suggest that any of the aftermarket bumpers have weak mounts, just that this is the only one that bolt directly to the frame. 
No apologize necessary. I just wasn't sure if you were really being serious. In all honesty, I don't think there is a stronger D-ring mount available for the JK today. Of course, this is not to suggest that any of the aftermarket bumpers have weak mounts, just that this is the only one that bolt directly to the frame. Anyway I like those because they upsweep in to the corners of the flares..
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Eternal ***erator
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From: Niagara, New York
- They make you stand out in the crowd.
- They just plain ole look better than stock (mostly, there are some freakin ugly ones out there. I would mention Olympic, but that might just be wrong.)
- Chicks dig 'em (been said, but warranted a repeat)
- They function better.
- They aren't plastic (for the most part.)
- etc.
JK Freak
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From: Naples, fla.
AHH.. Ok thanks.. Thought I had missed something.. Had I to do it over, I would be seriously considered your bumpers..Mainly for the rear swing away tire carrier... I do like these and will be happy with them.. (until I tear off my recovery point !)
Last edited by captsam54; May 11, 2007 at 04:57 AM.