"Delete Loop" pipe safe for Pentestar?
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2012
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From: Sabina, OH
I won't comment about the performance aspects as it has already been covered really well. But I will comment in a financial sense.
It just so happens that my previous life was to design the controls for the very machines that make exhaust components. The loop is very complicated and costs Jeep a great deal to make, If there were not significant advantages to having it, wouldn't you think they would delete it themselves and make a more simple and cheaper exhaust?
As far as the delete kits like AFE offer. Every mod we add has advantages and disadvantages. If the loop is getting in the way of running a suspension setup you want, it might be worth the risk to remove it in favor of running that setup... It becomes a matter of supplying for a demand, regardless of the benefits and/or advantages. If I can sell you something I can make money on I will.... as would any company.
It just so happens that my previous life was to design the controls for the very machines that make exhaust components. The loop is very complicated and costs Jeep a great deal to make, If there were not significant advantages to having it, wouldn't you think they would delete it themselves and make a more simple and cheaper exhaust?
As far as the delete kits like AFE offer. Every mod we add has advantages and disadvantages. If the loop is getting in the way of running a suspension setup you want, it might be worth the risk to remove it in favor of running that setup... It becomes a matter of supplying for a demand, regardless of the benefits and/or advantages. If I can sell you something I can make money on I will.... as would any company.
JK Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2011
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From: Apex, NC
I won't comment about the performance aspects as it has already been covered really well. But I will comment in a financial sense.
It just so happens that my previous life was to design the controls for the very machines that make exhaust components. The loop is very complicated and costs Jeep a great deal to make, If there were not significant advantages to having it, wouldn't you think they would delete it themselves and make a more simple and cheaper exhaust?
As far as the delete kits like AFE offer. Every mod we add has advantages and disadvantages. If the loop is getting in the way of running a suspension setup you want, it might be worth the risk to remove it in favor of running that setup... It becomes a matter of supplying for a demand, regardless of the benefits and/or advantages. If I can sell you something I can make money on I will.... as would any company.
It just so happens that my previous life was to design the controls for the very machines that make exhaust components. The loop is very complicated and costs Jeep a great deal to make, If there were not significant advantages to having it, wouldn't you think they would delete it themselves and make a more simple and cheaper exhaust?
As far as the delete kits like AFE offer. Every mod we add has advantages and disadvantages. If the loop is getting in the way of running a suspension setup you want, it might be worth the risk to remove it in favor of running that setup... It becomes a matter of supplying for a demand, regardless of the benefits and/or advantages. If I can sell you something I can make money on I will.... as would any company.
Agreed.
JK Newbie
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: Metairie, LA
No idea 
But I'm tired of the "Chrysler spent money and they would have not done it if it was not worth it, etc." that I see not just I this thread.
Really? BS. Chrysler spent the least $ they could for the best outcome they could get. Every corporation shaves dimes left and right and cutting costs maximizing profits, but no, we have the perfect tuned car with the best possible intake, best exhaust, etc. I do not understand though how a vehicle designed to be the king of off road has so many "weak" components from factory that need to be upgraded for serious off-roading happens to have the best and most well designed engine components. LOL
But I'm tired of the "Chrysler spent money and they would have not done it if it was not worth it, etc." that I see not just I this thread.
Really? BS. Chrysler spent the least $ they could for the best outcome they could get. Every corporation shaves dimes left and right and cutting costs maximizing profits, but no, we have the perfect tuned car with the best possible intake, best exhaust, etc. I do not understand though how a vehicle designed to be the king of off road has so many "weak" components from factory that need to be upgraded for serious off-roading happens to have the best and most well designed engine components. LOL
Last edited by Evangelos k; Oct 25, 2014 at 06:37 PM.
JK Newbie
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From: Metairie, LA
Still much cheaper than re-routing and re-designing a shorter and more "proper" path, equalizing the lengths the proper way than looking someone took the easier way out.
JK Super Freak
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From: Parker, Colorado
JK Jedi
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From: missoula,mt
because if they posted here somebody with an 8th grade education would always be telling them they were wrong. I have been on forums where factory engineers initially would post but would soon get run off because someone was always smarter and had better way of doing things lol. Factory engineers are most likely smart enough not to post.