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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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There is some interesting info in the reviews section of their website. That's quite a few independant reviews.


This from tha FAQ is interesting:

Why don’t the OEMs like GM, Chrysler, Ford, Cat., Yamaha, Suzuki, Detroit, etc. implement the Fitch Fuel Catalyst on cars or machines right from the assembly line?

The OEMs don’t typically add parts to the assembly line unless it saves them money or are required to add because of specific regulations. OEMS must meet certain standards set forth by the EPA and other regulatory organizations. When determining MPG window sticker numbers, the EPA requires the automotive OEMs to test on certified fuel such as Indolene. These purest certified fuels are too expensive to mass produce and are NOT equivalent to what consumers purchase at the pump.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IonZone
Since it looks like some people are talking about a product they know nothing about, this is not tablets that you dump into your gas tank. This is an inline cartridge unit.
If you would bother to READ the entire post instead of telling people they don't know what they're talking about, you'll see that tablets WERE also mentioned.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by IonZone
Wow, did you even read my post or just start typing?

1. I don't want the thing
2. I doubt it even works
3. I just want a real world analysis
4. Unless you have actually tried it your opinion is worthless to me

If this stuff has been around since the 40's you think I could find SOMEONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY TRIED IT!
You won't find anyone who has tried it successfully because stuff like this HAS been around that long. Everyone already knows it doesn't work.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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I read some of the "independent" test results and scanned through the rest of them listed on the website. As a scientist and someone who has taken a few serious statistics classes, I can say that none of these tests were done under controlled conditions nor were an adequate number of replicates performed in order to do ANY sort of statistical analysis to determine if any of the improvements were actually statistically significant.

As we all know, our mileage is determined by a very wide range of variables: outside temperature, speed, quality and brand of gasoline, cargo load, time spent waiting at stop lights, air conditoning on or off, etc etc etc.

I won't go into incredibly great detail, but let me just assure you that automotive magazine writers who review a product are not actually conducting a scientific experiement nor are their results anything that could be used to determine if any changes in mileage are statistically significant

Here is an over-simplified example to try to explain how a magazine writer does not conduct a meaningful scientific experiment when he/she reviews a product for an article. Imagine if I took my Jeep and drove it up a steep mountain and measured my MPG at the top. Then I installed an ACME brand fuel boosting gizmo and drove back down the mountain to discover that the device made an incredible difference in my MPG. Certainly my mileage DID improve after installing the gizmo, but I did not control all of the variables and so cannot determine if it was the gizmo or something else like some assistance from gravity that made the difference.

I'm willing to believe anything might work, but as the man said in the movie. . . . .SHOW ME THE DATA!. At this point, I have not seen any valid data to prove or disprove the effectiveness of these devices. . . .
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RedneckJeep
If you would bother to READ the entire post instead of telling people they don't know what they're talking about, you'll see that tablets WERE also mentioned.
I did read the entire post. If you would bother to review the product you would see that the tablets are used for older engines. New fangled vehicles, like JKs, use the cartridge. Since I was talking about apples and you were arguing about oranges you in fact did not have a valid point. I posted a clarification to help those that were confused. I understand that you have been around since the 40's and are VERY against this stuff, you have made that clear. Thank you for your emotional and non-scientific "opinion."

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Yucca Patrol
I'm willing to believe anything might work, but as the man said in the movie. . . . .SHOW ME THE DATA!. At this point, I have not seen any valid data to prove or disprove the effectiveness of these devices. . . .
I'm looking for the same thing. Their website has a video from the show Horsepower (I think) that showed actual data. But many of those shows are giant ads anyway so whatever. That's why I was hoping that of the 10,000 or so members on here one had used one or knew of someone who had.

I guess like the old guy said in the earlier post maybe there just aren't any.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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I've never used the thing, so I can't say the thing does not work, however after reading this thread, I looked into a few things, one of which is their website. They do have testomonials, however if you look into the "Turbanator", they too have many testomonies of how great that works.
The Fitch Catalyst site claims it somehow cracks the hydrocarbon molocules to transform gas into a much better product, thus enhancing performance while providing better effeciency to give a higher MPG output. All in all, this is what a catalyst does, and this is how the refineing companies make gas from crude oil in the first place. In order for the refineries to do this the catalyst, in most cases are large reactors embeded with exotic metals like platinum, and others I can't even pronounce. In addition heat is also used to break the hydrocarbon bond. Not just heat like we know it, but rather heat on the lower scale of 340*C and as high as 720*C. In addition over a time the metals used as the catalyst must be replaced because after much absorbtion, they loose their ability to act as a catalyst. With this in mind, it is hard for me to believe that The Fitch Catalyst, a small inline gizmo, has the ability to crack the mololecular bond of a hydrocarbon fuel such as gasoline.
With that said, I went further and checked all the sites that provided positive results on the web, and what I found was in addition to a few componys like Summit Racing, HP TV, Muscle Car, and the likes, most of the sites were either outright owned by the Fitch company, or somehow involved with the Fitch name.
I went on a searched many forums that had threads about this Fitch Catalyst, and believe me there were quite a few, ranging from Jeep, to motorheads. My findings on these forums were pretty much what we see here. There were one or two, and maybe even as many as a small few who swore by the Fitch Catalyst, however the majority believed the thing to be a waste of $$$.
I was surprised to see that quite a few people had purchased and tried the thing, however got rid of it because it did not produce the results that had been promised. In addition there where some of the users who after seeing no results believed it could somehow degrade over time to the point of maybe cause damage to their fuel system, injectors or engine.
It appears this thing was originaly produced with motorcyles in mind and came as either small pills that were placed into the gas tank, or a small sack like thing with the catalyst inside that was placed into the tank. I was surprised also to see how many bikers purchased the thing. Some posts went back as many as 5 years ago, however the results were pretty much the same. There were even 3 guys that owned a bikeshop, and did testing on the catalyst to include detailed records of dates, times, speeds, ambient temperatures, and so forth. There were even dyno results posted, comparing the same bike not using the Fitch, then using the Fitch. The results of the dyno's were almost identical.
There were a few guys who were chemical engineers who worked together at a major refinery. They purchased a few and broke them down for testing. Their conclusion, was that although the thing will most likely not cause damage to your vehicle, there is no way it could increase power or provide more MPG.
One guy did state he was in the navy and worked on a project in which he was involved in the installation of the catalyst into at least 3000 vehicles, and all proved positive results. When he was questioned about the project, he stated he could not devulge any information, as it was a secret project, and he could get into trouble if he gave the where's why's and how's. That became a pretty interesting thread. One guy asked him if the project was code named the Philidelphia Experiment.
At any rate my conclusion is this: Todays refinement processing is such that the process currently yields the highest quality gasoline that can be produced, and no $100 gadget is going to enhance that gas.
In order to refine the gasoline currently provided, it would take more catalyst and electronics than the Fitch could provide.
With all the time I took to research this, and the information I gained in doing so, it may have been a waste of time, but at least I will not waste my $$$ on a Fitch Catalyst.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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here is my response watch the vid and read, this it Boys ...THE REAL DEAL ..

http://www.mysuvisgreen.com/index.html

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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mrktwatchr
here is my response watch the vid and read, this it Boys ...THE REAL DEAL ..

http://www.mysuvisgreen.com/index.html
Yeah its a real deal for the scam artist thats selling this useless pile of junk for $1000. Not such a good deal for the chump that buys it though. Stuff like this and the "run your car on hydrogen from water device" go against the laws of science and are a complete waste of money...
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Zylfrax791
Yeah its a real deal for the scam artist thats selling this useless pile of junk for $1000. Not such a good deal for the chump that buys it though. Stuff like this and the "run your car on hydrogen from water device" go against the laws of science and are a complete waste of money...
hey bud, they are starting to run cars on hydrogen.....get in the game! and it can be done from water with the right equipment....please search on that one...Hell Honda is even advertising the hydrogen!
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