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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 07:48 AM
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I like the mount. But I drive a 6 speed, so for me it would be in the way. What about when you get out? Or need something from the back? I say just keep it on you. Unattended guns are what make all gun owners look like sh*theads.
How is it in the way of the shifter. It looks like it would easily clear. Does your shifter hit your leg? I'm sure when he gets out he either takes with him or puts it in that lockbox under his seat he mentioned.
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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Every state is a little different. I have a concealed weapons permit, so I just keep it on me at all times. To transport in a vehicle for non-permit holders, it has to be secured either in the glove box, center console, etc... Some states require that the gun be out in the open. NC use to be that way, though i'm not sure if it still is. Gun laws change regularly now it seems. There are very few open carry states left now too. PA and VA are the two I know about.
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DunnyBunny

How is it in the way of the shifter. It looks like it would easily clear. Does your shifter hit your leg? I'm sure when he gets out he either takes with him or puts it in that lockbox under his seat he mentioned.
It rises up over the edge of the seat. Looks like you could bump it going to and from the stick. I could be wrong. I would just ve too paranoid with it sitting in the open like that. I'm a inside the belt holster kinda guy.
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cutman
I like the mount. But I drive a 6 speed, so for me it would be in the way. What about when you get out? Or need something from the back? I say just keep it on you. Unattended guns are what make all gun owners look like sh*theads.
It goes back on my right hip in my Blackhawk CQC - thus it is never unattended.

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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tarpon4me
Every state is a little different. I have a concealed weapons permit, so I just keep it on me at all times. To transport in a vehicle for non-permit holders, it has to be secured either in the glove box, center console, etc... Some states require that the gun be out in the open. NC use to be that way, though i'm not sure if it still is. Gun laws change regularly now it seems. There are very few open carry states left now too. PA and VA are the two I know about.
There are 45 states that have open carry now.
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cutman
It rises up over the edge of the seat. Looks like you could bump it going to and from the stick. I could be wrong. I would just ve too paranoid with it sitting in the open like that. I'm a inside the belt holster kinda guy.
I have run many live scenarios inside vehicles with folks who carry in various positions such as IWB or small of the back (which really can hurt while driving) and the reaction times slow down dramatically.

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I do undterstand that staging may be a new technique for some, but it is something to consider if your local and state laws permit.

There would be no issues with shifting with this placement as it sits lower than your leg and its right next to your leg.

Something to consider with wearing a handgun in a vehicle is the size and shape of the occupant carrying the firearm. My larger students have GREAT difficulty drawing their handgun from a hip location even without a seatbelt in place.

I urge everyone to try drawing your handgun from your IWB or other hip position while in the divers seat with or without your seatbelt on. You will learn very quickly that you have to alter your position because your elbow will hit the back of the seat. It is the same problem folks have drawing from a ground position with their back to the ground - you need to rotate to one side. Staging your firearm is a far superior technique when you have to defend yourself from inside your vehicle.


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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 04:24 PM
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Florida is a relatively 2nd Amendment friendly state but such a holster arrangement here could be problematic.

A great thing about Florida is that the state is the first and final word when it comes to weapon laws. Local counties, cities and other municipalities are not allowed to make their own more restrictive gun laws. Florida Statute 790 covers it all. If you intend to be armed in Florida, you need to be familiar with 790.

Chapter 790 - 2012 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

790.25 is the specific section that governs how you may transport your weapon in a vehicle. This applies to individuals both with and without a carry permit. Of course, if you have a carry permit you also have the option of having the gun concealed on your person.

"720.25 (3) LAWFUL USES.—The provisions of ss. 790.053 and 790.06 do not apply in the following instances, and, despite such sections, it is lawful for the following persons to own, possess, and lawfully use firearms and other weapons, ammunition, and supplies for lawful purposes:
(l) A person traveling by private conveyance when the weapon is securely encased or in a public conveyance when the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession;"

This section has been determine to mean that the weapon must be in the glove box, console, other covered box or even a holster (loaded or unloaded) that securely encases the weapon so that it can't fly loose in the vehicle and cannot be visible to anyone who looks into your vehicle. It still can't be in your "manual possession" (on you) unless you have a carry permit.

There is another section in 790.25 (3) that allows open carry without a concealed carry permit when:
"(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;"

The theory behind (h) is that if you are hunting, fishing or camping you are isolated from civilization and the possibility of police protection therefore you could be a vulnerable target without the means to defend yourself.


I won't carry hip or groin while driving although I have holsters for both. For me, it's uncomfortable and the weapon is inaccessible without unbuckling and maybe even getting out the Jeep. I mostly carry in a chest band under my left arm pit. The way I carry my seatbelt doesn't interfere with access and I've trained to lift my shirt or push down my collar for access (depending on shirt type) with my left arm as I grab the gun with my right. I've conditioned myself to raise my left elbow in either case so that the muzzle is never pointed at my arm as I draw.

I often eat at a sports bar and sometimes I actually sit in the bar area or at the bar (no...seriously!). Under:
"790.06 (12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;"

So in that case, I have my Tuffy under seat box to lock it in.

Once again, extreme caution and plenty practice is required for developing safe and efficient techniques to both draw and re-holster. After all that's when far too many accidents happen... especially to LEOs. Although 65% of LEOs carry Glocks, I am a Springfield Armory XD dude. I feel the XD with its 1911 style grip safety is safer but always remember, no gun safety feature is undefeatable. You must always be vigilant and responsible for your safety and the ones around you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_qdJ4IDI8 Always obey the Four Universal Rules of gun safety:
1. All guns are ALWAYS loaded. (Treat them so!)
2. Do not point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot).
4. Be sure of your target (and what’s beyond).
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dale36
As far as protection, a handgun up front if your best choice. I do have a custom made box in the back to carry other firearms, but it would be rather difficult to get to them in any sort of hurry. I also have a lock box under the drivers seat, but again, not easy/fast to get to. You could drill holes (where the CQC attaches) lower on the plate which would lower it about an 1 1/2 inches or so. Look at the picture of the plate I made and you will see there is some room to place the holster holes closer to the "seat" holes. One problem you will encounter is that you can lower only the holster so much before you run into the muzzle/holster hitting the center console. Having it canted will give you more muzzle/holster room, so take that into consideration - thus why my Glock 34 still fits this set-up. Hope that helps, Dale
Why would you need a handgun in a hurry in Florida?
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jdestreza
Why would you need a handgun in a hurry in Florida?
My father in law who I'll admit is of questionable ethics and business practices had his pick up blown up by a certain organization in central fla

www.overlandoff-road.com
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Old Apr 14, 2015 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jdestreza
Why would you need a handgun in a hurry in Florida?
Cab driver:
Florida Cab Driver Shoots Would-be Killer - USA Carry

Pizza delivery guy:
Domino?s Pizza Driver Shoots Robber

Tow truck driver:
Suspect Fatally Shoots Tow Truck Driver, Shoots at Deputies in Lauderdale Lakes: BSO | NBC 6 South Florida

And 5 PAGES of miscellaneous carjackings in Orlando area of Florida here (p.s. if this is Orlando you can not imagine what's happening in Miami.):
Articles about Carjacking - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel

If you will only be assaulted by patient killers who will wait while you call 911, then wait for the police arrive and then turn themselves in, then you don't "need a handgun in a hurry in Florida". Unfortunately, no killer is so patient.

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