Help choosing front bumper
09-15-2013, 08:23 PM
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Yes, they are all attached to the frame....where do we have a disconnect here? I'm saying the bumpers are typically 1/4" plate that will hold on better than the framehorns.
I've pushed things with a stinger bumper and you can see the whole bumper rotate as the framehorns are manhandled by the 1/4" steel.
I've since moved to the genright that bolts to the framehorns, top of the framerail, inside of the framerail, and bottom of the crash bar. It won't be moving anywhere without taking out the entire front end of the jeep.
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It uses 14 bolts as opposed to the standard 8 and by bolting to most every angle of the frame it's more solid than just a piece bolted to the framehorns (since there is no other support to stabilize the bumper)
I've pushed things with a stinger bumper and you can see the whole bumper rotate as the framehorns are manhandled by the 1/4" steel.
I've since moved to the genright that bolts to the framehorns, top of the framerail, inside of the framerail, and bottom of the crash bar. It won't be moving anywhere without taking out the entire front end of the jeep.
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It uses 14 bolts as opposed to the standard 8 and by bolting to most every angle of the frame it's more solid than just a piece bolted to the framehorns (since there is no other support to stabilize the bumper)
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09-15-2013, 08:41 PM
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I think I understand what you mean. Like I said Im still learning so Im not trying to sound like Im being a smartass. Im was honestly asking for your input so please dont take my text the wrong way. I personally would never run a stinger bumper. Just a midwidth or stubby with a light bar. Hitting a wall at 40mph you would kinda expect something to give..lol.. Explain the frame horn to me if you dont mind, I think thats our disconnect. You obviously have more knowledge on this than I do. Dont judge me by my post count...lol.. Im trying to understand what youre getting at with your $.02 post.. Again, asking honestly, not being a smartass. Trying to gain knowledge here.
09-15-2013, 08:52 PM
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I don't bother with post count and will explain anything I can, so lets get to it. .....and sorry for taking this off topic.
In essence your framerail is square tubing (let's ignore the bends and such for now). At the front end of the framerail you've got 2 flat piece of steel referred to as the framehorn. These 2 pieces are just 'kinda' welded on to the end of the square tube but they are so much larger in area that they overpower the tube. They aren't fully welded though, so the strength isn't up to par where it could be. Furthermore, there is no reinforcement on the back of the plate, it is literally just welded to the frame (square tube).
Most bumpers out there (speaking on the 4/5 that I've personally run and installed) only bolt to the framehorns (flat steel on the front) which is fine, but that's the only place they're pulling their strength from and the only spot that any impacts are spread out across. The genright (and potentially others) mount to the framehorns as well as the actual framerail to distribute the load and in essence, create a stronger mount. I'll search for pics on the phone, but hopefully you can see what is happening behind closed doors without actually seeing.
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This is what it looks like, but I believe it's solid plate now but you can see it's not tight against the framerail and welded all the way around leaving leeway for it to move.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/uplo...k-nobumper.jpg
In essence your framerail is square tubing (let's ignore the bends and such for now). At the front end of the framerail you've got 2 flat piece of steel referred to as the framehorn. These 2 pieces are just 'kinda' welded on to the end of the square tube but they are so much larger in area that they overpower the tube. They aren't fully welded though, so the strength isn't up to par where it could be. Furthermore, there is no reinforcement on the back of the plate, it is literally just welded to the frame (square tube).
Most bumpers out there (speaking on the 4/5 that I've personally run and installed) only bolt to the framehorns (flat steel on the front) which is fine, but that's the only place they're pulling their strength from and the only spot that any impacts are spread out across. The genright (and potentially others) mount to the framehorns as well as the actual framerail to distribute the load and in essence, create a stronger mount. I'll search for pics on the phone, but hopefully you can see what is happening behind closed doors without actually seeing.
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This is what it looks like, but I believe it's solid plate now but you can see it's not tight against the framerail and welded all the way around leaving leeway for it to move.
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/uplo...k-nobumper.jpg
Last edited by karls; 09-15-2013 at 09:01 PM.
09-15-2013, 09:07 PM
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I Googled it too and now I see what you mean.. Yeah there would be a MAJOR strength issue there. Thank you for your positive feedback Karls. Very much appreciated!! I will be sure to look out for this when choosing a bumper. Im pretty sure JCR attaches to the frame rails and not that front "frame horn." Thanks again Karls, thats some great info to have!
09-15-2013, 09:17 PM
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09-15-2013, 09:20 PM
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Maybe this picture will enhance karls's explanation.
As you can see by the strength rating color codes, the front sections of the rails are the sacrificial weak points of the frame.
Designed to fold first, they are replaceable and available at the dealer parts department.
As you can see by the strength rating color codes, the front sections of the rails are the sacrificial weak points of the frame.
Designed to fold first, they are replaceable and available at the dealer parts department.
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09-15-2013, 09:23 PM
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Do your research, as you are now. I too was in your boat. I did mine and came up with shrockworks as my bumper. After looking at all the bumpers you are looking at or are being told about. They have all the options I believe you are looking for. They even can be ordered powder coated. The down side is they don't make them till you order. This results in a 4-5 month waiting period.
I am willing to wait for what I want and am. I know that is a deal braked for some.
Best of luck on you bumper quest.
I am willing to wait for what I want and am. I know that is a deal braked for some.
Best of luck on you bumper quest.