JBA headers
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Ryan - Look at the torque and the shape of the HP - You gain the HP across the board and we moved the torque 600 rpm - (the goal) the tune shaped the power.
Whats the argument, without the headers you don't gain the this power - period. If either of you are convinced the stock manifolds or a set of shorties can do this, we urge you to invest - We invested into a proper Header program to make sure we deliver, rather than guess (we are no header manufactures) in fact this was a rather tough task... we tested short tubes and they let us down
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Ryan - Look at the torque and the shape of the HP - You gain the HP across the board and we moved the torque 600 rpm - (the goal) the tune shaped the power.
Whats the argument, without the headers you don't gain the this power - period. If either of you are convinced the stock manifolds or a set of shorties can do this, we urge you to invest - We invested into a proper Header program to make sure we deliver, rather than guess (we are no header manufactures) in fact this was a rather tough task... we tested short tubes and they let us down
RIPPTECH
Whats the argument, without the headers you don't gain the this power - period. If either of you are convinced the stock manifolds or a set of shorties can do this, we urge you to invest - We invested into a proper Header program to make sure we deliver, rather than guess (we are no header manufactures) in fact this was a rather tough task... we tested short tubes and they let us down
RIPPTECH
Short tube headers function differently than long tubes. Header length is going to determine where in the rpm range they make the most power. Short tube headers make power at higher rpms, which for a JK isn't a target. They still have longer tubes than a stock manifold, so it's not to say they don't work, they just weren't meeting your objectives.
Most shorty headers use various tube lengths. The advantage of using various tube lengths is that you can spread the torque out over a broader range. A flattened torque curve is desirable for a lot of applications, but they also take a manufacturer that really knows what they're doing as exhaust pulse comes into play. You can't just slap 3 different tube lengths together and have them work together, but that is certainly what some of the companies do, more concerned with getting them to fit than what they bring to the table.
Anyway, the point is that RIPP did go down the right path with the long tubes, I'm sure they make power earlier than the stock manifold or shorty headers. The only issue I have is the system as a whole is dynamic, and you change one thing it effects the others. A Tuner such as the Diablo Predator is how you unleash the power they bring, but they also unleash power on a totally stock vehicle nearing half the overall claims previously mentioned.
What we are left with is a vehicle that has 4 things that changed it's power output, intake, headers, exhaust and a tuner, and all of those things are contributors to making additional power. It is disingenuous to say that all of that power came from the headers, while no one has contended that they don't make power.
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Again, the argument is that the headers aren't the only thing that made the power. The JK had an intake on it, I'm sure the exhaust behind the headers wasn't stock and a Diablo Predator. Those things make power too and you need a custom tune to unleash all they bring to the table.
Short tube headers function differently than long tubes. Header length is going to determine where in the rpm range they make the most power. Short tube headers make power at higher rpms, which for a JK isn't a target. They still have longer tubes than a stock manifold, so it's not to say they don't work, they just weren't meeting your objectives.
Most shorty headers use various tube lengths. The advantage of using various tube lengths is that you can spread the torque out over a broader range. A flattened torque curve is desirable for a lot of applications, but they also take a manufacturer that really knows what they're doing as exhaust pulse comes into play. You can't just slap 3 different tube lengths together and have them work together, but that is certainly what some of the companies do, more concerned with getting them to fit than what they bring to the table.
Anyway, the point is that RIPP did go down the right path with the long tubes, I'm sure they make power earlier than the stock manifold or shorty headers. The only issue I have is the system as a whole is dynamic, and you change one thing it effects the others. A Tuner such as the Diablo Predator is how you unleash the power they bring, but they also unleash power on a totally stock vehicle nearing half the overall claims previously mentioned.
What we are left with is a vehicle that has 4 things that changed it's power output, intake, headers, exhaust and a tuner, and all of those things are contributors to making additional power. It is disingenuous to say that all of that power came from the headers, while no one has contended that they don't make power.
Short tube headers function differently than long tubes. Header length is going to determine where in the rpm range they make the most power. Short tube headers make power at higher rpms, which for a JK isn't a target. They still have longer tubes than a stock manifold, so it's not to say they don't work, they just weren't meeting your objectives.
Most shorty headers use various tube lengths. The advantage of using various tube lengths is that you can spread the torque out over a broader range. A flattened torque curve is desirable for a lot of applications, but they also take a manufacturer that really knows what they're doing as exhaust pulse comes into play. You can't just slap 3 different tube lengths together and have them work together, but that is certainly what some of the companies do, more concerned with getting them to fit than what they bring to the table.
Anyway, the point is that RIPP did go down the right path with the long tubes, I'm sure they make power earlier than the stock manifold or shorty headers. The only issue I have is the system as a whole is dynamic, and you change one thing it effects the others. A Tuner such as the Diablo Predator is how you unleash the power they bring, but they also unleash power on a totally stock vehicle nearing half the overall claims previously mentioned.
What we are left with is a vehicle that has 4 things that changed it's power output, intake, headers, exhaust and a tuner, and all of those things are contributors to making additional power. It is disingenuous to say that all of that power came from the headers, while no one has contended that they don't make power.
SO - taking into account the short-tube fail points (leaks, cracks under hood temps) combined with the lack of real-world power, we were left wanting more. Turning to the only other long tubes out there - which completely failed power wise for us and several other end users on the "other" forums.... we knew it was time to visit the applied theory we already knew with our other V6 experiences (which we pointed out in a previous post).
The result was a properly balanced header - (we won't bore you with that now).
Considering that 99% of power seeking JK owners already have Air filter, exhaust a throttle body spacer, we assumed that most readers would understand that their power quest were answered (in an NA form) with the addition of our headers... ONCE we (RIPP) were convinced that the Diablo programming was stable and a RIPP provided tune would indeed fill in the blank, we made the data available. So pretty please with sugar on top - assume we are trying our best to put factual data out there and not smoke and mirrors... ASK US QUESTION don't speak in third party about us in our own threads (we're right here
)Side note: RIPP makes the Long Tube header Diablo programming free with the purchase of our header and Diablo from our site
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