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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Outstanding info. I also appreciate a manufacturer that takes the time to talk to their customers. I am not sure what it costs to produce your product actually. I will say that you priced your product out of range of roughly 95 percent of the available customer base. 1500 to 2 grand I could justify. 5 grand for a supercharger, granted I live in michigan and we are in the middle of a recession but I don't know anybody that would spend that much money on a product unless they were racing in competitions. I wish you all the best with your product. It looks very impressive. And I respect any company that takes the time to talk to real people.

Maybe consider a smaller kit with maybe smaller gains in horse power for people who want added performance but are married.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 03:27 AM
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To make things CLEAR about the lifetime warranty. For like the twelveteenth time. Chrysler CANNOT deny your entire lifetime warranty. They can, however refuse a warranty repair if they can PROVE that your modification was the DIRECT cause of the problem. The only one reason that I am aware of where they MIGHT be able to deny the whole warranty is the issue with an incorrect odometer reading, but I am not sure they can deny it even then. So, if you get your rig stuck in a hole and you spin your RIPP blower up to 50 bajillion RPM tryin to get out and splatter the oil pan with connectiong rods, it's a safe bet you're gonna be buyin a new engine. Surely they will probably TRY to get out of doing even the smallest of repairs to the engine, but they HAVE to prove it was the blower that caused it.

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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver Rubi 4 dr
I'm thinking about one of your kits.

I have several Mods already, can i use any of these with your kit or will i have to go back to Stock? I'm in Denver Colorado.

Volant Air Inducton
Banks Torque Tubes
Banks Cat Back
Hypertech Programer
Air Aid Spacer

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Ok from our testing we found that most of those mods are questionable we really do not want to get into any discussion regarding their product. I believe our product is well represented and we have a lot of data to back it up – we are confident that once product start hitting the forums that others will have the same experience we have.

We would leave:
• The Air Aid Spacer
• Hypertech Programmer for the gear and tire correction

We would sell:
• Every thing else – yes everything else!


Originally Posted by 4JEXEP4
Hey RIPP excellent info. I love a manufacturer that is willing to spend the time to answer as many questions it's customers may have. Here's mine. Have you done any deep water crossing tests? By deep I mean the same depth that Jeep says a stock Jk can do. I've read all the pages on the install on your site and it seems that where you put the inlet (pointing down) that this may pose a problem. I know a snorkle is available to be used with the SC but I would like to be able to cross rivers without a snorkle at the same depth I do now with a stock Jk.
I don’t think that’s a problem if you do it with a head on your shoulders.

Yes we played in Roush Creek without the snorkel, like everything else you have to be careful. Water crossings are done slowly the best way to check is do a water crossing in the manner in which you described, and take a look at how high or if it even reached the battery box. The air filter sits in the far left side of the engine bay on the passenger side- that’s as far as we can keep it from the water and dirt.


Originally Posted by 07WrangX
I am connecting the Ripp SC to my River Raider snorkel. As it sits now, the air filter sits in the stock battery location. I don't see it working with any other snorkel systems than the River Raider. Ripp designed their system to be able to work with the River Raider snorkel. Ripp has developed an air box that is water tight and allows you to connect to the snorkel. With the Ripp SC, the battery is relocated to where the stock air box is. I am really enjoying the supercharger. My jeep is crazy fast now and so much more enjoyable to drive.

Originally Posted by chuck45
Out of curiousity what gears and trans do you have?

"Crazy fast" is certainly something I've never heard said about a JK before. I wish there were a way to quantify it a little better. Is there something else you could compare it to. It certainly sounds like you are happy with it.

Originally Posted by 07WrangX
The jeep is a whole lot faster than it was. The extra 100hp is definitely noticable. The only thing I can compare it to is my 03 GMC Sierra with the 5.3 V8. My truck is Hypertech programmed, has a borla cat back, and AEM cold air intake. I even think the jeep feels faster than my truck and my truck is very powerful.
I havn't looked at my MPG yet. I have been having waaaay too much fun hitting the throttle at stop lights. I am going to test it out with my next tank of gas (my jeep doesn't have the MPG display, have to calculate it after next fill up)

I will take some pics when I get the air box installed and hooked up to my snorkel

Originally Posted by chuck45
Outstanding! I almost asked you to compare it to something common. What I had in mind was a late model Chev 1/2 ton with a 5.3. I'm familiar with that truck and consider it an excellent performer. If the JK performed as well with no milage penalty it would be awesome.
That’s about right, I raced a hummer H2 and stayed neck to neck with it at a light to light race… it had at least an exhaust I would imagin a CAI system as well. It did have big crusier 22” rims…I didn’t have the power to pass him but he wasn’t going anywhere either - but hay that’s a lot better than stock would ever - ever do.


Originally Posted by Dwikto
i am sure it has been said in this post before, but i almost guarantee chrysler will deny your lifetime waranty. The waranty is a major selling point on this vehicle!!! they will deny covering any driveline parts, any efi parts, engine etc... i am not a master mechanic, but i have delt with chrysler enough to know they will worm out of any expensive repair, they are dishonest and can mark your vehicle for life with one stroke of a computer key. look around on this forum, you will see a person who bought a new JK from the dealer, trans went out dealer will not cover because the JK has ATF not ATF4 in it, and this poor guy never did a tranny fluid change. i had the same experiance with rear end on 05' GC with extended waranty. i am telling you right now your waranty will be toast. I do not want to dicourage RIPP, i think any aftermarket parts are great, however, RIPP should be straight forward when selling these that if a dealership gets wind they will put the scarlet letter S for "screwed" on your warranty. Please let me know if you have info to the contrary. i would love to be proved wrong on this. i am so paranoid about my waranty, i had the dealer put on the BDS lift. More info please if anyone can add to this. i am even worried about getting oil changed at a shop. i still do it , but i make the manager sign my service record to prove they have completed the necces. service sched.

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Originally Posted by Dwikto
obviously if you had a choice you would revert to stock before going to dealer, however most breakdowns do not occur in your garage or driveway.

I am telling you i do not care what the law says. i will tell you exactly how chrysler proves an aftermarket part causes the failure;

1. service tech tells you an aftermarket part caused failure.
2. then the service manager tells you an aftermarket part caused the failure.
3. you get pi$%$ the insist they call out a chrysler rep, he says aftermarket part caused failure.
4. you get even more p*(^%*% and they call out a regional chrysler rep and they tell you aftermarket part caused it. period end of story.

I know i have been there!!!!

Now it has been 3 weeks you have been renting a car they will not cover. then you are presented with the repair bill, or the option to put everything back together for a small fee of 80.00/hr in labor. by the way in the interim your car has been flagged through the system as a do not waranty repairs.

What are you gonna do fight it ok take chrysler to court and after months of haggling back and forth and lawyers fees etc. you finally win! horray!!!

Cost to you in lost time, lawyers fees, loss of work etc. 5k

Cost to chrysler new tranny or whatever.

You clearly won that one right???????

Guys/Gals I am not trying to be a pain in the A&% I just care about my fellow jeepers getting the shaft, so just be careful. Unless the dealer installs an aftermarket part or does the modifying to your vehicle you will be hassled, even if they do it it still can cause you problems. I have heard (not substantiated) some mopar mods will even void your waranty.

Jeepers be ware. Jeeps are great products, yes they have their issues, but chrysler is terrible to deal with regarding warranty issues.
Originally Posted by 07WrangX
Obviously you can't roll ito the dealership with a problem that could have been caused by your supercharger. But there is a law that states that the dealer has to proove that an aftermarket part caused the problem in order for them not to fix it. I'm not saying that anyone could get away with it, but the Ripp system is easily reversable. Theoretically you could take it off if you have a drivetrain problem, get it fixed, and throw it back on. I'm not too concerned with this, because I don't have the lifetime warranty. I got my 07 a month before they offered it. I was pissed when I heard about it. Who cares, I would have done everything to it anyway. If something that isn't covered brakes, I'll just fix it myself. That way I can build it stronger!!!
What are we talking about here? Most of the guys looking at our SC have long voided their warranties… suspension lifts, tires and rims chips… just look at the question above. We have been nothing but forth coming in saying yes… we have gone to our purchasing dealers and yes they have scoped our engine for run issues and not they haven’t flagged our cars. In most cases the dealer has embraced the supercharger because they know it helps. Having seen how clean it runs they looked away…

We are not saying Chrysler endorses our product, we never pitched that message we are saying we went out of our way it make it run a seamless as possible… what the warranty department does with if will be left up the a crap shoot that warranties are. This type of modification is not for everyone, its for the responsible few that understand what they are doing - we’re all adults here and we all know the politics involved with warranty work… if you have a hard to deal with dealer then the blower won’t help things that’s for sure.

However lets say you didn’t have a blower and you need warranty work for whatever reason… you think the dealer won’t see the caked on mud embedded in the frame rails or the scrapes from rock crawling… how about the sand from the dune jumping. It’s always a crap shoot at the dealer… I see your point but - perspectively speaking and using your own example they void warranties for the wrong oil... what are they going to say to headers, exhaust and chips? How about this.. your electronics warranty is voided if you change your radio or add to many accessories to the charging system IE. winch, lights, compressor and so on.


Originally Posted by mmcan
Hey Redneck and RippMods,...

Awesome debate, way over my head. But I, too, want and need more power in my JK.

But did I miss the answer to this question posed earlier from Redneck to Ripp,...?

So tell me then, does your company intend to warranty your products AND the engines they are installed on for 100,000 miles? You certainly talk a good game. Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is?


And Ripp, can you cholate and report any initial problems encountered by early users if this product? That would be greatness.
We will stand behind our product, warranty it and give you all the support you need. In this industry NO ONE will give you anything close to what you’re asking. Not even the manufactures’. If you buy a supercharged Mustang from the dealer or a big displacement BMW and something should go wrong – they will log what was happening right from the ECU and tell you what you were doing wrong right before the mishap. Your asking a small manufacturing firm to warrant 100000 mile engine.

No that cannot happen, your making educated purchases based on the information we provide and other end users experiences. In life like everything else you assume responsibility for your action, buying and installing a supercharger is one of those actions.

• It was all tuning codes pending codes – over torque sensors but that’s all squared away now.
• We had early on bearing failure after off roading because the bearings were not intended to be used that way. That’s been adjusted


Simple proto type stuff that needed attention to make it to production levels…. Nothing major.


Originally Posted by BradOB
Any ETA on the kit yet?

I'm not concerned about warranty. Would rather fix it myself anyways.
At least then you know its done right.
Kits leaving on a daily are pre-production kits. Kits ordered now are September delivery.


Originally Posted by 07WrangX
You got it, but I'm pretty confident that the supercharger is not going to cause any problems. All you have to do is take a look at the engine that came out of their test mule. They put about 35,000 miles on it and the motor looked great. They had no problem showing me the pistons and letting me poke around it.
Correct, we will gladly show you it in person but we will not post pictures on line – sorry guys.

Originally Posted by SpecWar
Outstanding info. I also appreciate a manufacturer that takes the time to talk to their customers. I am not sure what it costs to produce your product actually. I will say that you priced your product out of range of roughly 95 percent of the available customer base. 1500 to 2 grand I could justify. 5 grand for a supercharger, granted I live in michigan and we are in the middle of a recession but I don't know anybody that would spend that much money on a product unless they were racing in competitions. I wish you all the best with your product. It looks very impressive. And I respect any company that takes the time to talk to real people.

Maybe consider a smaller kit with maybe smaller gains in horse power for people who want added performance but are married.
Thank you for your input its goes noted….

However the added value here is the kit is turn key out of the box… This is not an over priced cheap kit, your getting top of the line everything, including bearings designed to deal with extreme conditions. If you could, float over to the Vortech website - look up a Vortech V2 S Trim polished with the VQ Option and you’ll find the blower is $2300 by its self. You’re getting the entire fully engineered and tuned system for the extra $2000 including programming that delivers better fuel economy and power.

So in actuality - you are paying $2000 for the kit…


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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RedneckJeep
To make things CLEAR about the lifetime warranty. For like the twelveteenth time. Chrysler CANNOT deny your entire lifetime warranty. They can, however refuse a warranty repair if they can PROVE that your modification was the DIRECT cause of the problem. The only one reason that I am aware of where they MIGHT be able to deny the whole warranty is the issue with an incorrect odometer reading, but I am not sure they can deny it even then. So, if you get your rig stuck in a hole and you spin your RIPP blower up to 50 bajillion RPM tryin to get out and splatter the oil pan with connectiong rods, it's a safe bet you're gonna be buyin a new engine. Surely they will probably TRY to get out of doing even the smallest of repairs to the engine, but they HAVE to prove it was the blower that caused it.
If they refuse to cover a repair that is the same as denying your waranty. what good is a waranty if you pay out of pocket for your repair. I think we are saying the same thing. I don't mean they will not cover your factory radio because of your RIPP. I mean they will not cover your drivetrain, or engine repairs etc. to much hp against components that are not rated or whatever. I have only owned jeep/chrysler products for the last 18 years.

The dealership would love to do waranty work. They get paid by chrysler for that, however, the chrysler reps work for chrysler and have to approve those expenditures and they do not like to. If a dealership repairs waranty work and chrysler does not cover they are SOL. Dealerships get approval prior to starting the work. My guess and it is just that, is there is some $ amount that is worked out with the dealership and chrysler that is pre-authorised. Above that amount they call in the rep. The rep will ask or actually come out and inspect for non covered damage, and or mods etc. If you come in with your front end smashed you can not say my radiator is leaking and i want it fixed. i do not say that to insult your intelligence. I know you understand that, but similarly if your engine is fried even from a design flaw or chrysler issue, "and they know or see you have or had a supercharger adding an additional 50-100 hp to those stock components they will not cover it and that is all the proof they need (practically) and yes you could go to court etc. (see my previous post)

In that case you will lose BIG TIME as trying to argue against physics is a losing battle. Added stress in the form of HP is clearly a contributing factor to failure, and the way the waranties are written clearly side on the manufacturer. Remember fellow jeeper I am on your side I care about my wallet and yours we are a family of sorts. I strongly encourage design of aftermarket parts and enhansements, heck i use them, but be very cautious because it is not always practical to return to stock quickly and have your vehicle serviced. I do not want some of the newer jeepers in here to mod the s%^& out of their rides and think all is dandy then get in a repair issue and have chrysler give them the finger while holding their vehicle hostage at the dealership (exagerating of course).

As long as people know the risks and protect themselves accordingly then more power to them. I know in practice telling people that chrysler will have to prove that a mod caused damage is misleading! Very misleading!

Unless your vehicle is your alternate and you have time to do battle in court, take time off work, have a great lawyer that specializes in waranty claims, and patience and persistance like a MOTHER blank. You are in for a losing battle or at the very least a miserable experiance....

Do not take this the wrong way, please. I have just been through this process and I do not want to bore everyone any further than i just did, but i am out 1500.00 on a warantied item that was dealer serviced etc.

I really do not want anyone else to go through this experiance especially with the financial issues some are having currently.

concerned

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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwikto
If they refuse to cover a repair that is the same as denying your waranty.
No, it's not. But I can tell from the rest of your post, arguing with you will be a moot point. But hay, that's what makes the world go around.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RedneckJeep
No, it's not. But I can tell from the rest of your post, arguing with you will be a moot point. But hay, that's what makes the world go around.
clearly you are a literal guy, exactly like my brother, that is the disconect. i am speaking in a practical sence, when i say it is "the same". meaning it will cost you money for the repair not that your whole waranty is void. I should have been more clear, but i can also tell you are looking for an argument and to split hairs i aim to help here but i will move on so you can post one last comment.
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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwikto
clearly you are a literal guy, exactly like my brother, that is the disconect. i am speaking in a practical sence, when i say it is "the same". meaning it will cost you money for the repair not that your whole waranty is void. I should have been more clear, but i can also tell you are looking for an argument and to split hairs i aim to help here but i will move on so you can post one last comment.

No, not looking for an argument at all. I just took what you said the wrong way is all. sorry bout that.
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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RedneckJeep
No, not looking for an argument at all. I just took what you said the wrong way is all. sorry bout that.
no prob, i have really enjoyed this post actually. i have no intention of putting a SC in my vehicle but i like to see manufacturers answer back to the potential customer.

in my CAI hydrolock post someone recommended the AEM air valve to protect from hydrolocking. So i go to the website and it claims to do just that. well awsome. fine print says absolutly will not cover any additional damge for any reason what so ever. so their waranty says if the valve fails mechanicly they will send you a new one if you have your receipt and paperwork.i mean seriously what good will that do me when my engine is full of water.

i like accoutability.... in your previous posts i have seen that is what you are after too. everyone needs to realize this is what makes all products BETTER. that is what i want, a better product and safer product wether it is a SC or 3" lift.
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Originally Posted by 08JKWrangler
So are you saying that the S Charger does not work well with a Catback? I hope not. It would be a big PIA for me to have to revert back to stock exhaust since I relocated muffler.
RIPP, Any response to this?

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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwikto
If they refuse to cover a repair that is the same as denying your waranty. what good is a waranty if you pay out of pocket for your repair. I think we are saying the same thing. I don't mean they will not cover your factory radio because of your RIPP. I mean they will not cover your drivetrain, or engine repairs etc. to much hp against components that are not rated or whatever. I have only owned jeep/chrysler products for the last 18 years.

The dealership would love to do waranty work. They get paid by chrysler for that, however, the chrysler reps work for chrysler and have to approve those expenditures and they do not like to. If a dealership repairs waranty work and chrysler does not cover they are SOL. Dealerships get approval prior to starting the work. My guess and it is just that, is there is some $ amount that is worked out with the dealership and chrysler that is pre-authorised. Above that amount they call in the rep. The rep will ask or actually come out and inspect for non covered damage, and or mods etc. If you come in with your front end smashed you can not say my radiator is leaking and i want it fixed. i do not say that to insult your intelligence. I know you understand that, but similarly if your engine is fried even from a design flaw or chrysler issue, "and they know or see you have or had a supercharger adding an additional 50-100 hp to those stock components they will not cover it and that is all the proof they need (practically) and yes you could go to court etc. (see my previous post)

In that case you will lose BIG TIME as trying to argue against physics is a losing battle. Added stress in the form of HP is clearly a contributing factor to failure, and the way the waranties are written clearly side on the manufacturer. Remember fellow jeeper I am on your side I care about my wallet and yours we are a family of sorts. I strongly encourage design of aftermarket parts and enhansements, heck i use them, but be very cautious because it is not always practical to return to stock quickly and have your vehicle serviced. I do not want some of the newer jeepers in here to mod the s%^& out of their rides and think all is dandy then get in a repair issue and have chrysler give them the finger while holding their vehicle hostage at the dealership (exagerating of course).

As long as people know the risks and protect themselves accordingly then more power to them. I know in practice telling people that chrysler will have to prove that a mod caused damage is misleading! Very misleading!

Unless your vehicle is your alternate and you have time to do battle in court, take time off work, have a great lawyer that specializes in waranty claims, and patience and persistance like a MOTHER blank. You are in for a losing battle or at the very least a miserable experiance....

Do not take this the wrong way, please. I have just been through this process and I do not want to bore everyone any further than i just did, but i am out 1500.00 on a warantied item that was dealer serviced etc.

I really do not want anyone else to go through this experiance especially with the financial issues some are having currently.

concerned

dan
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