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Old Jan 18, 2015 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aldonoward3
I did. The snorkel came with a battery tray relocation plate and I simply trimmed the tabs off the fuse box and scooted it over about 3 inches. And remounted with new tabs. Same for the TIPM.

I really appreciate that man, it's always nice to have someone admire your garage engineering lol!

Aluminum tubing will fit, I'm going that route eventually BC I'm an electrical supply sales rep and I can use a conduit bender to make the bends look pro. As for the setup I have now, I thought the corrugated hose would be an issue with all the ridges but with my increased power and mileage, I'm content for now.
You bet, I like looking at custom work.
Big pipe and straight lines works wonders for flow. Especially ditching stock airbox.
I have a Banks Ram Box and it helped a bunch. It sits under the hood, crazy growl.

Ringer has a saweet set up. Post #109.


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Old Jan 18, 2015 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by helmet10
You bet, I like looking at custom work. Big pipe and straight lines works wonders for flow. Especially ditching stock airbox. I have a Banks Ram Box and it helped a bunch. It sits under the hood, crazy growl. Ringer has a saweet set up. Post #109. Custom work is a lost art. It takes lots of thinking and cussing. Ernie

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Old Jan 18, 2015 | 07:21 PM
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Smooth is always better as it reduces tubulance, but if the pipe is big enough, doesn't matter much.
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Old Jan 18, 2015 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 2climbbig
Smooth is always better as it reduces tubulance, but if the pipe is big enough, doesn't matter much.
Absolutely!


The river raider expedition snorkel kit comes with a lot more bends and even instructs one to run the conduit along side the engine.... Which would heat up the conduit and raise your intake temp.

The way we ran it allows for ease of air flow through less bends and the avoidance of the engine heat.

Hopefully we'll go Aluminum conduit soon enough.
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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonoward3
I can vouch for the river raider safari snorkel and say that paired with my RIPP cold air intake I picked up 2mpg true mileage after tripping my odometer and drilling through a tank of petrol. I'm surprised but I'm happy. I'm getting an average of 18.1... That's insane.... But it's true. Granted, I live in Mobile AL on the Gulf Coast and its fairly flat around here.

We utilize the intakes and the snorkels unlike most wheelers. Many of the trails around here have water hazards that no stock jeep can go through and most on 35s and lifted three inches will be submerging the headlights.
The RIPP cold air intake must have made the improvement, in spite of the 'threaded' pipe, because the threads create resistance to air flow.

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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by helmet10
Ringer has a saweet set up. Post #109. Custom work is a lost art. It takes lots of thinking and cussing. Ernie
Absolutely lots of cussing! But thanks for the compliment. I am very happy with how it turned out. Here are a few more pics.
Custom battery tray

For the flanges I ran the aluminum through the bead roller so it would sit flush with the beads on the firewall. I then drilled the hole and welded aluminum tubing to it.

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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by goaterguy
Ha! The only time I've had to be pulled was by getting stuck in mud at Gulches! I saw the mud pit in Uwharrie but the wife said no... and I agreed. I understand your point and based on it, spending money elsewhere on a Wrangler from a functional standpoint is a bad idea anyways. Very few people here have the driving skills that exceed the off roading capability of a stock Wrangler yet we love spending money throwing stuff at it (myself included). I don't have a snorkel but will eventually get the RR if I do get one seeing that some Wranglers (especially with the 3.8L) hydro-lock while going too fast over a shallow puddle, I see it as money well spent even if it is the ebay knockoff.
That mud pit almost killed me, but I'm an idiot. Still washing the mud out of my jeep, and that was at the jamboree in oct.
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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonoward3
Absolutely!


The river raider expedition snorkel kit comes with a lot more bends and even instructs one to run the conduit along side the engine.... Which would heat up the conduit and raise your intake temp.

The way we ran it allows for ease of air flow through less bends and the avoidance of the engine heat.

Hopefully we'll go Aluminum conduit soon enough.
No argument that smoother is better... if it wasn't, then why smooth intake and exhaust ports. My point, there is an exercise in diminishing returns so, the larger the pipe, the less impact a non-smooth port comes into play. If you look at the total area of the air intake vs the area of the throttle body, the intake is the most constricting piece on a stock jeep. The engineers have factored that into the equation.

By the way, sharp bends also causes turbulence that has just as much as an impact as a flexible hose. In all of our wind tunnels, we have veins that direct air flow at every bend. So if you really want to get geeky about it, add veins to control air flow and you will rock even more.

Now, by point was, I just don't know if you are getting a 5% better performance or .1% by smoothing your intake passage. That would require some testing for which I don't really care to do.

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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 2climbbig
No arrangements that smoother is better... if it wasn't, then why smooth intake and exhaust ports. My point, their is an exercise in diminishing returns so, the larger the pipe, the less impact a non-smooth port comes into play. If you look at the total area of the air intake vs the area of the throttle body, the intake is the most constricting piece on a stock jeep. The engineers have factored that into the equation. By the way, sharp bends also causes turbulence that has just as much as an impact as a flexible hose. In all of our wind tunnels, we have veins that direct air flow at every bend. So if you really want to get geeky about it, add veins to control air flow and you will rock even more. Now, by point was, I just don't know if you are getting a 5% better performance or .1% by smoothing your intake passage. That would require some testing for which I don't really care to do.
As long as I'm getting better mileage and noticeable power with the current set up, I'm happy.
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Old Jan 22, 2015 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Saharaunlmtd
Can anyone speak to what depth of water would be required for the air box to be submerged in a water entry commensurate to this image? I'm on the fence regarding a snorkel. If i do, it will be the RR which kind of would need installed prior to my rocker guards that will go on in spring.



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