Superchips Flashpaq for JK, Initial Impressions
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JK Junkie
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From: Lakewood, OH
Got my flashpaq today and was excited to get it going. I registered it and downloaded the Easy Update software, performed the update then went out to my Jeep. Followed the directions exactly, but just after I selected the quick tune option I received an error message code #G-6F.
The FAQ's say this means the programmer does not have a complete databae and to run the Easy Update again. So I did - - problem not fixed. the EU says the programmer is up to date, but the error message continues to flash. WTF?!
Hoping I can get around this tonight rather than waiting until tomorrow (at least) before contacting SC.
The FAQ's say this means the programmer does not have a complete databae and to run the Easy Update again. So I did - - problem not fixed. the EU says the programmer is up to date, but the error message continues to flash. WTF?!
Hoping I can get around this tonight rather than waiting until tomorrow (at least) before contacting SC.
Here's a link with some other things to check.
http://www.flashpaq.com/forum/viewto...050&highlight=
JK Enthusiast
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From: Rogers, AR
wow. step away for a day and all hell breaks loose. just another reason why i wish tpms was never invented.
lets switch gears and revisit the 87 tune compared to 91+. i don't know that i'm feeling much difference and wondering if i should just leave it at 87. i've given up on the mpg issue - too many variables to consider. but i've given both the 87 and 91 about a month and can't really say that i notice a difference. thoughts?
lets switch gears and revisit the 87 tune compared to 91+. i don't know that i'm feeling much difference and wondering if i should just leave it at 87. i've given up on the mpg issue - too many variables to consider. but i've given both the 87 and 91 about a month and can't really say that i notice a difference. thoughts?
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JK Freak
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wow. step away for a day and all hell breaks loose. just another reason why i wish tpms was never invented.
lets switch gears and revisit the 87 tune compared to 91+. i don't know that i'm feeling much difference and wondering if i should just leave it at 87. i've given up on the mpg issue - too many variables to consider. but i've given both the 87 and 91 about a month and can't really say that i notice a difference. thoughts?
lets switch gears and revisit the 87 tune compared to 91+. i don't know that i'm feeling much difference and wondering if i should just leave it at 87. i've given up on the mpg issue - too many variables to consider. but i've given both the 87 and 91 about a month and can't really say that i notice a difference. thoughts?
been running the 91 for a couple days no 93 octane gas around here and can not tell the difference from the 87 setting (which I love by the way) I did notice some good MPG though; 19mpg at 70 mph on flat ground. and 19.4 at 65mph. I was getting 17 with hypertech at 65 and 16.5 at 70 mph, however when I first used my hypertech my numbers were about the same. I think the jeep computer finds away to compensate with fuel mixture and negate the mpg after a while. I am a very consistant driver and my commute is the same everyday. Unless I try some octane booster that will raise me 2 full points I will go back to the 87 which is increadible. I will keep messing with the active features you can use while driving, but my 0-60 times are embarrasing so this is the last report on those. (I know not a racecar whatever)
Stock: Unknown 0-60
87 tune: Running 87 gas 11.84 with and without O/D 0-60
91 tune: Running 91 gas 11.25 with and without O/D 0-60
93 tune: Unknown (no 93 octane gas to run) 0-60
Tow tune: Unknown I drive freeways everyday this probably will be worse for my commute.
dan
JK Enthusiast
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From: Rogers, AR
yeh, no 93 to be found around here either. i'm probably going to stick with the 87 tune. i've been pleased with the results. just wondered if other people were noticing the same or if i should try another install of the 91 tune - perhaps it just didn't take right the first time.
i need to have my clutch looked at, so i'm going to the dealer next week, so i guess i go back to stock for a bit.
i need to have my clutch looked at, so i'm going to the dealer next week, so i guess i go back to stock for a bit.
JK Freak
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You guys are right, the 87 tune really is that good. Just like the 91 tune it has an electric motor smoothness to the power delivery. But there is a definite difference in power at the higher rpms with the 91 tune, it just pulls a little harder. This is not of that much of a big deal, after all it is a Jeep, but there is more power witnessed by the better 0-60 runs.
What I have found is that the need to downshift is lessened more by the 91 tune, it will just hold that 65 to 80 mph (2300-2800rpm) grade better in 6th. It's not a big difference in torque, but it's there and very useful for my geographical location. That's the main reason I have stayed with the 91 tune, not drag racing (but I have to admit, I blistered a Chrystler 3.8 minivan the other day!!!).
If I lived in a flat area, I wouldn't hesitate to run the 87 tune. The 93 tune ran a little more on the ragged edge, it may have had a small power increase over the 91 tune even with 93 octane in both, but it was slight and the 91 tune had just as much torque below 3K as the 93 tune.
So the 91 tune is the best compromise for me.
I will admit that maybe I probably didn't give the 93 tune enough time to "learn". The 91 tune (just like the 87) was so good right out of the Flashpaq that I didn't really realize it had "learned" untill I had taken the same route a few times. I found that the Jeep was now holding 80mph up a certain interstate stretch that required downshifting right after the 91 tune was installed, despite the fact that I was running the AC and environmetally it was 15 degrees hotter outside. Certainly not a scientific test, but 3 more trips on succesive days down the same stretch has verified the results.
I'd like to know how far/long you have to drive the Jeep for the computer to "learn", I mean I guess you still have to let it do it's thing after programming, don't you? Or where does the battery disconnect come in here, should we disconnect the battery before/after flashing? That may have been a factor in my 91 tune as I did disconnect the battery for some light re-wiring.
Perhaps Superchips will chime in on this issue.
What I have found is that the need to downshift is lessened more by the 91 tune, it will just hold that 65 to 80 mph (2300-2800rpm) grade better in 6th. It's not a big difference in torque, but it's there and very useful for my geographical location. That's the main reason I have stayed with the 91 tune, not drag racing (but I have to admit, I blistered a Chrystler 3.8 minivan the other day!!!).
If I lived in a flat area, I wouldn't hesitate to run the 87 tune. The 93 tune ran a little more on the ragged edge, it may have had a small power increase over the 91 tune even with 93 octane in both, but it was slight and the 91 tune had just as much torque below 3K as the 93 tune.
So the 91 tune is the best compromise for me.
I will admit that maybe I probably didn't give the 93 tune enough time to "learn". The 91 tune (just like the 87) was so good right out of the Flashpaq that I didn't really realize it had "learned" untill I had taken the same route a few times. I found that the Jeep was now holding 80mph up a certain interstate stretch that required downshifting right after the 91 tune was installed, despite the fact that I was running the AC and environmetally it was 15 degrees hotter outside. Certainly not a scientific test, but 3 more trips on succesive days down the same stretch has verified the results.
I'd like to know how far/long you have to drive the Jeep for the computer to "learn", I mean I guess you still have to let it do it's thing after programming, don't you? Or where does the battery disconnect come in here, should we disconnect the battery before/after flashing? That may have been a factor in my 91 tune as I did disconnect the battery for some light re-wiring.
Perhaps Superchips will chime in on this issue.
JK Enthusiast
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Ignore this, did not pay attention to the date......
JK Enthusiast
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From: Rogers, AR
Good to know. Thanks for the input. I don't get on the highway much, so that is probably why I'm not realling seeing a lot of difference. I generally top out a about 50-55 on my work commute. The last time I had it over 65 was when I had just installed it and was doing some blasts to help the learn process.
Was thinking about this earlier and while I'm not keen about living without this for long, I would be willing to share my flashpaq with someone in the northwest arkansas area if you wanted to give it a shot for a week or so - kind of a try before you buy type deal.
It's one thing to read reviews, but often times the reviews can impact your expectations. I think that everyone that has raved about this product has been sincere, but like a good movie, too much boasting about it tends to elevate the expctation level such that when you finally see (test) it, there is a let down. Anyway, pm me if you live around the Rogers area and are contemplating a purchase and we can try to work out something.
For the rest of you - go buy the damn thing.
Was thinking about this earlier and while I'm not keen about living without this for long, I would be willing to share my flashpaq with someone in the northwest arkansas area if you wanted to give it a shot for a week or so - kind of a try before you buy type deal.
It's one thing to read reviews, but often times the reviews can impact your expectations. I think that everyone that has raved about this product has been sincere, but like a good movie, too much boasting about it tends to elevate the expctation level such that when you finally see (test) it, there is a let down. Anyway, pm me if you live around the Rogers area and are contemplating a purchase and we can try to work out something.
For the rest of you - go buy the damn thing.
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JK Junkie
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From: Lakewood, OH
You guys are right, the 87 tune really is that good. Just like the 91 tune it has an electric motor smoothness to the power delivery. But there is a definite difference in power at the higher rpms with the 91 tune, it just pulls a little harder. This is not of that much of a big deal, after all it is a Jeep, but there is more power witnessed by the better 0-60 runs.
What I have found is that the need to downshift is lessened more by the 91 tune, it will just hold that 65 to 80 mph (2300-2800rpm) grade better in 6th. It's not a big difference in torque, but it's there and very useful for my geographical location. That's the main reason I have stayed with the 91 tune, not drag racing (but I have to admit, I blistered a Chrystler 3.8 minivan the other day!!!).
If I lived in a flat area, I wouldn't hesitate to run the 87 tune. The 93 tune ran a little more on the ragged edge, it may have had a small power increase over the 91 tune even with 93 octane in both, but it was slight and the 91 tune had just as much torque below 3K as the 93 tune.
So the 91 tune is the best compromise for me.
I will admit that maybe I probably didn't give the 93 tune enough time to "learn". The 91 tune (just like the 87) was so good right out of the Flashpaq that I didn't really realize it had "learned" untill I had taken the same route a few times. I found that the Jeep was now holding 80mph up a certain interstate stretch that required downshifting right after the 91 tune was installed, despite the fact that I was running the AC and environmetally it was 15 degrees hotter outside. Certainly not a scientific test, but 3 more trips on succesive days down the same stretch has verified the results.
I'd like to know how far/long you have to drive the Jeep for the computer to "learn", I mean I guess you still have to let it do it's thing after programming, don't you? Or where does the battery disconnect come in here, should we disconnect the battery before/after flashing? That may have been a factor in my 91 tune as I did disconnect the battery for some light re-wiring.
Perhaps Superchips will chime in on this issue.
What I have found is that the need to downshift is lessened more by the 91 tune, it will just hold that 65 to 80 mph (2300-2800rpm) grade better in 6th. It's not a big difference in torque, but it's there and very useful for my geographical location. That's the main reason I have stayed with the 91 tune, not drag racing (but I have to admit, I blistered a Chrystler 3.8 minivan the other day!!!).
If I lived in a flat area, I wouldn't hesitate to run the 87 tune. The 93 tune ran a little more on the ragged edge, it may have had a small power increase over the 91 tune even with 93 octane in both, but it was slight and the 91 tune had just as much torque below 3K as the 93 tune.
So the 91 tune is the best compromise for me.
I will admit that maybe I probably didn't give the 93 tune enough time to "learn". The 91 tune (just like the 87) was so good right out of the Flashpaq that I didn't really realize it had "learned" untill I had taken the same route a few times. I found that the Jeep was now holding 80mph up a certain interstate stretch that required downshifting right after the 91 tune was installed, despite the fact that I was running the AC and environmetally it was 15 degrees hotter outside. Certainly not a scientific test, but 3 more trips on succesive days down the same stretch has verified the results.
I'd like to know how far/long you have to drive the Jeep for the computer to "learn", I mean I guess you still have to let it do it's thing after programming, don't you? Or where does the battery disconnect come in here, should we disconnect the battery before/after flashing? That may have been a factor in my 91 tune as I did disconnect the battery for some light re-wiring.
Perhaps Superchips will chime in on this issue.
Pretty closely echos my feelings and I don't have a huge seat of the pants feel when using the higher octane settings, although like you I experienced less down shifting coping with hills.
Early on when I had spoke to an engineer at SC, he seemed to be pretty happy with how the 87 tune performed. I was running the 93 setting at the time and when I switched I was just as happy. Now I have everything pretty much sorted out and can look ahead to what the next 300 miles hold and decide on which tune fills the need upon each fillup.
As for the PCM honing in on a tune, my results suggested about 1 tankful. Second tankfuls have barely measurable but not perceivable differences. Lots of factors that play into this so a bit hard to put your finger on it. One other thing I do is after a new tune is installed I'll take a couple WOT freeway onramp blasts which seems to get things dialed in a little quicker.
Last edited by JPop; Aug 7, 2009 at 06:44 AM.
