Warn Dana 30 hub conversion?
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JK Freak
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From: Florida Hill Country (Tallahassee)
I'm not familiar with the operation of these hubs but the replacement hubs would still turn, its the axles that would stop turning. I need to pull the wheels and look. It seems like the sensors would be on the rotors.
JK Newbie
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From: Northern California
I too would be very interested in a stock axle locking hub upgrade kit.
Pushing a live front axle in the rain on a short wheel base vehicle doesn't sound like much fun to me.
I would be really interested if they offered a AWD transfer case for the JK...that would be the cats meow in my book. I own two other vessels with them, 1978 Dodge Power Wagon and a 2005 Hemi Durango, both rock on slippery roads. And that is even before they are in '4 lock'.
Pushing a live front axle in the rain on a short wheel base vehicle doesn't sound like much fun to me.
I would be really interested if they offered a AWD transfer case for the JK...that would be the cats meow in my book. I own two other vessels with them, 1978 Dodge Power Wagon and a 2005 Hemi Durango, both rock on slippery roads. And that is even before they are in '4 lock'.
JK Junkie
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From: Chattanooga, TN
I too would be very interested in a stock axle locking hub upgrade kit.
Pushing a live front axle in the rain on a short wheel base vehicle doesn't sound like much fun to me.
I would be really interested if they offered a AWD transfer case for the JK...that would be the cats meow in my book. I own two other vessels with them, 1978 Dodge Power Wagon and a 2005 Hemi Durango, both rock on slippery roads. And that is even before they are in '4 lock'.
Pushing a live front axle in the rain on a short wheel base vehicle doesn't sound like much fun to me.
I would be really interested if they offered a AWD transfer case for the JK...that would be the cats meow in my book. I own two other vessels with them, 1978 Dodge Power Wagon and a 2005 Hemi Durango, both rock on slippery roads. And that is even before they are in '4 lock'.
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JK Newbie
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Well that is not exactly all true, yes the ESP does aid in traction control when driving on adverse road conditions so AWD is not as much an issue of control but performance. Having driven all types (and I mean ALL) I can confidently say that the front axle in my Jeep does drag on the performance due to front axle "push".
But parts breakage and worse fuel economy simply isn't total true. Your total fuel consuption should not be effected by more than 5% with or without hubs. Anyone that has real world numbers feel free to chime in with your opinions/results.
Remember that you are already spining the entire drive train up to and including the transfer case front output shaft. The only part of the 4WD that is disengaged is the splined coupler thingy (not a techical term) that links the two ouput shafts together. You are even spining the interals of the transfer case eventhough they are not being use for propoltion. An exploided view will show this clearly if one was so inclined to research my accuracy. In fact an AWD will have less wear as you are spining the parts and peiced in the normal direction of force. When not engaged all the forward motion is applied to the reverse side of all the same parts. Thus you would have wear when not engaged, however small and unmeasureable. Unlike coasting in gear, you are turning the parts more miles not engaged in 4WD than engaged...well for the average guy I would estimate. For those true off-road guys that never disengage the 4WD (or very rarely) this discussion would not apply. These are the benefits of the locking hubs. You can disengage the parts when not in use thus saving fuel and parts wear, requardless of now minimal.
But parts breakage and worse fuel economy simply isn't total true. Your total fuel consuption should not be effected by more than 5% with or without hubs. Anyone that has real world numbers feel free to chime in with your opinions/results.
Remember that you are already spining the entire drive train up to and including the transfer case front output shaft. The only part of the 4WD that is disengaged is the splined coupler thingy (not a techical term) that links the two ouput shafts together. You are even spining the interals of the transfer case eventhough they are not being use for propoltion. An exploided view will show this clearly if one was so inclined to research my accuracy. In fact an AWD will have less wear as you are spining the parts and peiced in the normal direction of force. When not engaged all the forward motion is applied to the reverse side of all the same parts. Thus you would have wear when not engaged, however small and unmeasureable. Unlike coasting in gear, you are turning the parts more miles not engaged in 4WD than engaged...well for the average guy I would estimate. For those true off-road guys that never disengage the 4WD (or very rarely) this discussion would not apply. These are the benefits of the locking hubs. You can disengage the parts when not in use thus saving fuel and parts wear, requardless of now minimal.
JK Junkie
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From: Chattanooga, TN
Well that is not exactly all true, yes the ESP does aid in traction control when driving on adverse road conditions so AWD is not as much an issue of control but performance. Having driven all types (and I mean ALL) I can confidently say that the front axle in my Jeep does drag on the performance due to front axle "push".
But parts breakage and worse fuel economy simply isn't total true. Your total fuel consuption should not be effected by more than 5% with or without hubs. Anyone that has real world numbers feel free to chime in with your opinions/results.
Remember that you are already spining the entire drive train up to and including the transfer case front output shaft. The only part of the 4WD that is disengaged is the splined coupler thingy (not a techical term) that links the two ouput shafts together. You are even spining the interals of the transfer case eventhough they are not being use for propoltion. An exploided view will show this clearly if one was so inclined to research my accuracy. In fact an AWD will have less wear as you are spining the parts and peiced in the normal direction of force. When not engaged all the forward motion is applied to the reverse side of all the same parts. Thus you would have wear when not engaged, however small and unmeasureable. Unlike coasting in gear, you are turning the parts more miles not engaged in 4WD than engaged...well for the average guy I would estimate. For those true off-road guys that never disengage the 4WD (or very rarely) this discussion would not apply. These are the benefits of the locking hubs. You can disengage the parts when not in use thus saving fuel and parts wear, requardless of now minimal.
But parts breakage and worse fuel economy simply isn't total true. Your total fuel consuption should not be effected by more than 5% with or without hubs. Anyone that has real world numbers feel free to chime in with your opinions/results.
Remember that you are already spining the entire drive train up to and including the transfer case front output shaft. The only part of the 4WD that is disengaged is the splined coupler thingy (not a techical term) that links the two ouput shafts together. You are even spining the interals of the transfer case eventhough they are not being use for propoltion. An exploided view will show this clearly if one was so inclined to research my accuracy. In fact an AWD will have less wear as you are spining the parts and peiced in the normal direction of force. When not engaged all the forward motion is applied to the reverse side of all the same parts. Thus you would have wear when not engaged, however small and unmeasureable. Unlike coasting in gear, you are turning the parts more miles not engaged in 4WD than engaged...well for the average guy I would estimate. For those true off-road guys that never disengage the 4WD (or very rarely) this discussion would not apply. These are the benefits of the locking hubs. You can disengage the parts when not in use thus saving fuel and parts wear, requardless of now minimal.
JK Newbie
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From: Northern California
Agree or disagree...that is the great thing about these thread boards; hell america for that matter, the information can flow like water from a snow melted river.
Ask around at local Jeep rallies (find the guy with the most grime under his finger nails), talk to some local shops (the best ones are the shops with a old bath tub out back full of empty beer cans) ask the parts guy if you can get a copy of some of his books he is always looking at when you come in and ask for the most obscure part you have on your rig. One guy told me my parts page was better than his...he was the parts and service guy at the automotive dealership!!! It pays to ask questions...and listen to the answer.
True off road guys...ranch hands, farmers, trailer buggies...
For those guys above I would be more concerned about foreign material in the differential and such. Dirt is far more intrusive than a well lubed differential crusing down the highway on a sunny day, engaged or disengaged.
Ask around at local Jeep rallies (find the guy with the most grime under his finger nails), talk to some local shops (the best ones are the shops with a old bath tub out back full of empty beer cans) ask the parts guy if you can get a copy of some of his books he is always looking at when you come in and ask for the most obscure part you have on your rig. One guy told me my parts page was better than his...he was the parts and service guy at the automotive dealership!!! It pays to ask questions...and listen to the answer.
True off road guys...ranch hands, farmers, trailer buggies...
For those guys above I would be more concerned about foreign material in the differential and such. Dirt is far more intrusive than a well lubed differential crusing down the highway on a sunny day, engaged or disengaged.