wrangler07

Sounds to me like the fuel pump may not be working correctly or just intermittently. It starts using the little residual fuel in the system and then dies when it receives nothing more. I had the same problem with my 2.8 CRD yesterday after nicking the insulation of a wire that gave the fuel pump it's signal. Once re-insulated the fuel pump worked and off we went. I wonder if there is a fault in the wiring connection to your pump or in the pump itself?

Tails

Thanks guys, your wisdom is infinite.
Didn't know about the SKREEM/WCM, but I did think the key would have a chip in it to prevent unauthorized starting. I failed to mention that I have a Sport, it does not have a security system or remote locking doors - I mean I have to open every door with the key.

This is what I found in an official document somewhere on the 'net:
"According to Chrysler, the immobilizer feature is activated when the key is
removed from the ignition lock cylinder. Only a valid key inserted into the
ignition lock cylinder will allow the vehicle to start and continue to
run.
Chrysler stated that the SKREEM/Wireless Ignition Node (WIN), an
integral component of the SKIS antitheft device, contains a radio
frequency transceiver and microprocessor that receives signals from the Sentry
key transponder and communicates to the FOBIK. According to Chrysler,
the SKREEM/WIN determines whether a valid key is present in the
ignition switch based on the signal received from the transponder, and
also serves as the receiver for the Tire Pressure Monitoring System if
the vehicle is equipped with one. To avoid any perceived delay when
starting the vehicle with a valid key and to prevent unburned fuel from
entering the exhaust, Chrysler stated that the engine is permitted to
run for no more than 2 seconds(bolded by me) if an invalid key
is used.
If the response identifies the key as invalid, or if no response is received
from the key transponder, Chrysler stated that the SKREEM sends an
invalid key message to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM), and the PCM
will disable engine operation (after the initial 2-second run) based
upon the status of the SKREEM messages. Chrysler stated that only six
consecutive invalid vehicle start attempts would be permitted and all
other attempts would be locked out by preventing the fuel injectors
from firing and disabling the starter."

Will look into the fuel issue when I get the car back ... wife took it to work today!

wrangler07

Mate, mine's a Sport, too.

Tails

I tried turning the key on for 10 sec without starting a few times, then starting.
I also tried the spare key. The engine still dies 0.5-1 sec after it has been started.
As I mentioned, the dealer already checked both keys, but no change.

Will go back to the dealership and see if they can lend me a Grand Cherokee ... or a Dodge Challenger R/T ... until this problem is fixed! Will keep you posted about what the solution is. And if there is none ... California has a lemon law too.

wired

I will bet you a case of alexander kieths that you have a faulty throttle position sensor. Had the same problem when I owned a dodge van.

Tails

Google tells me this is a brewery in Halifax
I'm still learning... but will take the Jeep back after Thanksgiving and have them look at the throttle position sensor.

wired

They may not find it at first. I lucked out, and the mechanic was driving the van, and it stalled on him, then they checked it out and found the problem.
Good luck.
And yes, Kieths is a beer from Halifax, and it is very good.

phljeeper

I don't have an answer to you starter issue, but if you call Chrysler customer care and complain they will probably cover your rental cost until it is fixed.

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Tails

UPDATE:
THe dealer just called me and I talked to a technician about the starting/stalling issue. He reproduced the issue and asked me if this happened with both keys, to which I answered that this is in fact the case. It only happened to him with the spare key, and I have it all the time with the other key. Because he could finally reproduce it, he has seen the error codes that were thrown. They point to a faulty key or key not read issue.
So, our conclusion was that since both keys can't be defective, it must be the SKREEM module. This apparently sits around the keyhole in the steering housing. The dealer has located a module at another dealer and is replacing it tomorrow. So far I'm very happy with their service.

I will let you know if the problem is fixed an a couple of days.

And I won't take Wired up on that case of beer. Since I don't drink alcohol, you're welcome to it yourself!

I will however talk to Chrysler about the rental car cost, thanks Phljeeper for the tip!

spartan99

Interesting.

Man... vehicles are so complex it's annoying. What was wrong with the keyed ignition system of yesterday?? It was so easy to fix when it went bad.