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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by goaterguy

The Pentastar uses a cartridge filter, he reused the O ring on the filter cover. I thought the new filters came with a new O ring but reusing it probably wasn't the problem.
+1 I replace my o ring each time, but looking at that ring it looks like it could get re used many times with out fail.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by goaterguy

The Pentastar uses a cartridge filter, he reused the O ring on the filter cover. I thought the new filters came with a new O ring but reusing it probably wasn't the problem.
I agree. New filters come with orings. However , the oring doesn't get much abuse and I can't imagine the problem would be from an old oring. We reuse orings in my job working at 3000 psi pressures with no problems during development testing. I think it was either not tightened at all, or the oring wasn't seated in the proper groove.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rob_engineer
I agree. New filters come with orings. However , the oring doesn't get much abuse and I can't imagine the problem would be from an old oring. We reuse orings in my job working at 3000 psi pressures with no problems during development testing. I think it was either not tightened at all, or the oring wasn't seated in the proper groove.
I think it was a combination of both of those things. I hand tightened it but looking back It was most definately not tight enough. After I retightened it I did not see any oil around the filter once I cleaned it. Im just at a loss as to what to do at this point as im not sure where to check at all to see if any damage was done
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sm0ke
I think it was a combination of both of those things. I hand tightened it but looking back It was most definately not tight enough. After I retightened it I did not see any oil around the filter once I cleaned it. Im just at a loss as to what to do at this point as im not sure where to check at all to see if any damage was done
you hand-tightened it....as in, you didn't use a ratchet after meeting resistance with your bare hands? If so, yeah, that's where your problem came from.
As for how to tell if you have damaged bearings....well, you can send off a UOA to blackstone labs and have them look for spikes in lead. If it's there then yeah, you've got worn/damaged bearings.
Luckily, the Pentastar is a very common engine and worst case scenario like having to replace the bottom, you're not out a huge amount of money.
I'd ignore the above post suggesting you can try to pass this off to your dealership as a warranty claim and playing dumb as to the cause. It's fraud. You've posted about what you did on a public forum which can be used against you in a court of law. Also I bet there's a ton of oil all over your engine bay. It's won't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together on this one if they see oil starvation related damage.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dfw6er
you hand-tightened it....as in, you didn't use a ratchet after meeting resistance with your bare hands? If so, yeah, that's where your problem came from.
As for how to tell if you have damaged bearings....well, you can send off a UOA to blackstone labs and have them look for spikes in lead. If it's there then yeah, you've got worn/damaged bearings.
Luckily, the Pentastar is a very common engine and worst case scenario like having to replace the bottom, you're not out a huge amount of money.
I'd ignore the above post suggesting you can try to pass this off to your dealership as a warranty claim and playing dumb as to the cause. It's fraud. You've posted about what you did on a public forum which can be used against you in a court of law. Also I bet there's a ton of oil all over your engine bay. It's won't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together on this one if they see oil starvation related damage.
thanks for the reply I just ordered the free test kit from blackstone labs just to be safe. all these comments got me freaking out =/
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sm0ke
thanks for the reply I just ordered the free test kit from blackstone labs just to be safe. all these comments got me freaking out =/
Send a note to Blackstone along with your oil sample telling them EXACTLY what happened and how it's behaving now. The more they know the better the feedback you'll get. The folks who do the analyses will send a report with your values and the expected norms for the engine and mileage, but they'll also type up an interpretation in plain old English telling you what they think is going right and/or wrong and what actions you might want to take and how long you should go before sending in another sample.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dfw6er
Send a note to Blackstone along with your oil sample telling them EXACTLY what happened and how it's behaving now. The more they know the better the feedback you'll get. The folks who do the analyses will send a report with your values and the expected norms for the engine and mileage, but they'll also type up an interpretation in plain old English telling you what they think is going right and/or wrong and what actions you might want to take and how long you should go before sending in another sample.

do you think replacing the bottom would cost more then $1000?
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sm0ke
do you think replacing the bottom would cost more then $1000?
I honestly don't know.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 10:06 AM
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I have a Chris Craft boat w/a 460 in it. uses a HP1 fram filter.

Well, the filter is upside down on the engine (remote oil filter mount) (LOVE Chris Craft)

anyway, put it back on one time with TWO rubber gaskets by accident (You can't see it from the top).

started engine.

OIL FLYING EVERYWHERE on the white interior.

ohh that was fun.

fix it, added a bit of oil, and went home lol.

just sayin' you aren't the only one.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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When I first started doing my oil changes back in 9th grade (HS), I forgot to install the oil cap back on, after a mile of "Cruising" all this smoke starting poring out of the hood. I oped the hood and there was oil every were. I lost the cap and had to walk 10 miles to the nearest Auto Zone in the dark. I learned my lesson that day and was late for my date... Good luck.
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