Tire Advice from those of you in the Icy North
I have had Silent Armor's for probably 3,000 miles now and they are great. I got 265/74 R16's put on the stock steel wheels so they will be great in the snow. I was going to go with the Duratracs 10 ply's but decided to go with the Silent Armors for the same price because the 10 ply speed rating is like 70mph. The 6ply duratracs were considerably more expensive then the 10s for some reason. I did not like the loos of the SA's on the internet but am really happy now that they are on my Jeep. Also a plus, they have very little, if any more road noise they the stock tires.
To the OP: I live in Minneapolis, too
and I have Duratracs. They handle great in the snow (easily cruised up a steep hill near my house tonight during a snowfall after a number of other cars turned around and chose a different route...), but I've got a recent post on here describing the frustration I've had trying to get them balanced by Discount Tire... I chose the Duratracs for their snow performance and for their aggressive look but I've been wondering if the Silent Armors would have been more appropriate for me since I use my Jeep as a DD 99% of the time. I believe Goodyear's website rates both the Duratracs and the Silent Armors equally for snow performance. Just make sure you -need- the offroad ability of the Duratracs before you dismiss the SAs...
I ended up going with the Blizzaks. In size 285/70R17 on a set of Jeep Commander Hulk wheels.
Here's a picture comparing them to my old Rubi wheels / tires

And here's a pic of them in the snow

As for that little Mini-Blizzard we had last Friday, I had the Blizzaks already during that.
As for stick and ability, they were great. They felt like they had more bite than the old Blizzaks on my Truck.
However I was disappointed in the Jeep for a couple of things. It's very darty at highway speeds compared to the truck. I don't think it's all in the length of the vehicles, as the truck is a regular cab short bed Tacoma.
Wheelbase on the Truck is listed at 104.3". In reality it's probably an inch shorter than that due to my custom rear suspension
The jeep lists as 95.4" Hmm, 8 inches shorter, maybe the wheelbase does have more to do with it than I thought.
Regardless it seems less stable, which is kinda scary at highway speeds. I was still going 10 mph faster than everyone around me
I was also disappointed in that I couldn't turn off the stability control completely. And you can't engage the lockers unless you're in 4-lo? I love on the truck being able to slide the back end out whenever I want with just a tap of the gas pedal. Donuts and power slides are alot more difficult with the stability / traction control always counter-acting whatever you're trying to do.
The truck has an auto locker (Aussie, btw)in the front, which is awesome in the snow. I miss having it being always there when in 4WD, especially for getting in and out of my driveway, which I still haven't plowed.
Anyway, I Love driving around in blizzards, sliding around corner and through drifts the snow plow leaves. I spent probably 4 hours that night blasting though everything, and swapped the Jeep for the Truck halfway through. I gotta admit the truck is more fun in the snow. It's also more powerful, so I can drop the clutch in 4WD hi at a light, spin 3 tires (locker in front, open in back) through first and second gear, and out-accelerate anyone on the road. Watching rooster tails of snow fly up from the front wheels as I'm doing this. Then drop back to a stop safely as soon as needed.
As for why I went with Blizzaks? Kinda like what SandMan posted, I took a really close look at the siping, which is that really helps in pretty much everything snow related. There is so much siping on a snow tire that it almost looks fuzzy, compared to a regular tire. Then the compund difference for the extreme cold we get here and I decided on the most expensive route for tires, 1 set for winter, and another for spring/summer/fall.
Granted blazing a trail through deep fluff a mud tires' blocks might have some small advantage in acceleration, I don't think they'd help with turning or stopping. And really most of what I use a winter vehicle for involves both turning and stopping in addition to acceleration. See the above paragraph. And I've never had trouble accelerating with the Blizzaks in any conditions, including breaking trail off-road through snow drifts (done using the aforementioned truck).
Anyway, thanks everyone for the opinions. I hope it helps out others.
P.S. - To sdebol, since you're in Minneapolis and have the Duratracs maybe we can get together sometime during the next blizzard, and kinda drag race? Our jeeps should be fairly close except for tires, we can see who accelerates fastest. Maybe even swap vehicles for driving impressions between the tires? It might be pretty beneficial information for the board here.
First of all I did do a search, and read until my eyes bled. Still having trouble making a decision.
Right now my local Discount Tire has a helluva sale on Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor tires in our stock Jeep size P255/75R17. These tires come as OEM on the Rubicons that are sold in other countries. Europe and Mexico for sure. Maybe Canada? In fact Discount Tire has JEP in their part number, so I'm sure these tires are the OEM replacements. Anyway, they're priced at $129 each.
So...
I could just go with a set of these Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors on my stock alloys.
--- OR ---
I could buy a set of Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs in a big beefy size (33" probably)
on some aftermarket rims. My favorites are the 16" Pro-Comp 7069's
This would let me sell my stock alloys.
--- OR ---
I could buy some Blizzaks and put them on my stock Alloys now, and buy the Duratracs listed above in the spring.
This is of course the most expensive option, but kinda the direction I'd like to go in.
My driving habits are probably 80% on-road. I take one trip a year out o Colorado in the summer and do some 4-wheeling and camping for a week solid. I also take a trip to Colorado in winter for Christmas. Mostly no wheeling in winter though.
I almost never enter mud. Hate mud pretty much, so I avoid it like the plague.
Here in Minnesota I've always had Snow Tires of some sort on my vehicles. I love to go out in the fresh snow here when it's really deep and plow through it all, especially the snow drifts. Haven't done that in the Jeep yet as I haven't experience a winter with the Jeep.
The deep snow makes me think of skipping the Blizzaks, since Duratracs are supposed to be good.
Then I could just cheap out and get the SA's. It'd save me alot of money, and I'm feeling kinda short on money right now (aren't we all).
Also gas mileage is important to me. So giant heavy tires are probably not a good idea.
So is Noise and Ride Comfort. Especially since the wife uses the Jeep for commuter duties in the summer, and I commute with it in the winter.
On the truck I've always had BFGoodrich A/T KOs for summer and Blizzaks for winter. And always hated the BFGs if I didn't change over the tires before snow. It was like driving on slicks.
Of course last year they plowed and salted the roads so diligently I felt like snow tires were kinda a waste.
I guess my main question is for people that've had the Duratracs versus Blizzaks.
Or SAs versus Blizzaks. On packed snow and ice.
The Duratracs are supposed to be really good in snow and ice, but are they really better than the age-old BFGoodrich A/T KOs? Or are they about the same as the KOs in snow and ice.
Thanks in Advance.
Right now my local Discount Tire has a helluva sale on Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor tires in our stock Jeep size P255/75R17. These tires come as OEM on the Rubicons that are sold in other countries. Europe and Mexico for sure. Maybe Canada? In fact Discount Tire has JEP in their part number, so I'm sure these tires are the OEM replacements. Anyway, they're priced at $129 each.
So...
I could just go with a set of these Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors on my stock alloys.
--- OR ---
I could buy a set of Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs in a big beefy size (33" probably)
on some aftermarket rims. My favorites are the 16" Pro-Comp 7069's
This would let me sell my stock alloys.
--- OR ---
I could buy some Blizzaks and put them on my stock Alloys now, and buy the Duratracs listed above in the spring.
This is of course the most expensive option, but kinda the direction I'd like to go in.
My driving habits are probably 80% on-road. I take one trip a year out o Colorado in the summer and do some 4-wheeling and camping for a week solid. I also take a trip to Colorado in winter for Christmas. Mostly no wheeling in winter though.
I almost never enter mud. Hate mud pretty much, so I avoid it like the plague.
Here in Minnesota I've always had Snow Tires of some sort on my vehicles. I love to go out in the fresh snow here when it's really deep and plow through it all, especially the snow drifts. Haven't done that in the Jeep yet as I haven't experience a winter with the Jeep.
The deep snow makes me think of skipping the Blizzaks, since Duratracs are supposed to be good.
Then I could just cheap out and get the SA's. It'd save me alot of money, and I'm feeling kinda short on money right now (aren't we all).
Also gas mileage is important to me. So giant heavy tires are probably not a good idea.
So is Noise and Ride Comfort. Especially since the wife uses the Jeep for commuter duties in the summer, and I commute with it in the winter.
On the truck I've always had BFGoodrich A/T KOs for summer and Blizzaks for winter. And always hated the BFGs if I didn't change over the tires before snow. It was like driving on slicks.
Of course last year they plowed and salted the roads so diligently I felt like snow tires were kinda a waste.
I guess my main question is for people that've had the Duratracs versus Blizzaks.
Or SAs versus Blizzaks. On packed snow and ice.
The Duratracs are supposed to be really good in snow and ice, but are they really better than the age-old BFGoodrich A/T KOs? Or are they about the same as the KOs in snow and ice.
Thanks in Advance.
I basically live on a cliff and go up and down Mountain passes all the time. Going up they are amazing, the tire with the 4WD and clearence are perfect. We got 7 feet of snow in 7 days, and I was the only person in my office who made it to work early each day. Now going down hill, they performed well, but due to the laws of physics, you must use more care. Wider tires allow for more displacement of weight, and thus, less digging down to get to the pavement, and more sliding like a sled. What helps in mud, can hurt in snow.
Last edited by Southern Swiss Jeep; Jan 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM.
Thanks for the feedback.
In retrospect I wich I would've gone with the Silent Armors. They're cheaper than the Blizzaks, and probably get better mileage. Unfortunately no one has them in stock around here. And apparently they still don't.
In retrospect I wich I would've gone with the Silent Armors. They're cheaper than the Blizzaks, and probably get better mileage. Unfortunately no one has them in stock around here. And apparently they still don't.



