Tire rotation at dealership
12-27-2015, 08:42 AM
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JK Junkie
if you plan on replaceing the tires with the same brand and size
i cant see a advantage to adding the spare into the mix !
when i replace my tires ill buy 4 because i already have my spare if i ever need it . For me this works out just as well and a little easyer too than removing the spare from the rear tailgate
20 dollars a tire to invert them so $100.00 to get 15,000 more miles down the road ,hardly seems worth it if at all. Your still driving on worn down tires . Why not put the 100 toward new tires:?
like to see the tires that you say youl get 15- 20,000 more miles out of after inverting them for 100.00 {not saying your wrong in doing so just seems a tad anal on saving a worn tire . ) maybe a better alignment would be a better investment
when i replace my tires ill buy 4 because i already have my spare if i ever need it . For me this works out just as well and a little easyer too than removing the spare from the rear tailgate
20 dollars a tire to invert them so $100.00 to get 15,000 more miles down the road ,hardly seems worth it if at all. Your still driving on worn down tires . Why not put the 100 toward new tires:?
like to see the tires that you say youl get 15- 20,000 more miles out of after inverting them for 100.00 {not saying your wrong in doing so just seems a tad anal on saving a worn tire . ) maybe a better alignment would be a better investment
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12-28-2015, 05:01 AM
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12-29-2015, 03:09 PM
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i cant see a advantage to adding the spare into the mix !
when i replace my tires ill buy 4 because i already have my spare if i ever need it . For me this works out just as well and a little easyer too than removing the spare from the rear tailgate
20 dollars a tire to invert them so $100.00 to get 15,000 more miles down the road ,hardly seems worth it if at all. Your still driving on worn down tires . Why not put the 100 toward new tires:?
like to see the tires that you say youl get 15- 20,000 more miles out of after inverting them for 100.00 {not saying your wrong in doing so just seems a tad anal on saving a worn tire . ) maybe a better alignment would be a better investment
when i replace my tires ill buy 4 because i already have my spare if i ever need it . For me this works out just as well and a little easyer too than removing the spare from the rear tailgate
20 dollars a tire to invert them so $100.00 to get 15,000 more miles down the road ,hardly seems worth it if at all. Your still driving on worn down tires . Why not put the 100 toward new tires:?
like to see the tires that you say youl get 15- 20,000 more miles out of after inverting them for 100.00 {not saying your wrong in doing so just seems a tad anal on saving a worn tire . ) maybe a better alignment would be a better investment
My reasoning for flipping them is to even the wear across the tread. My alignment is fine. My use is about 98% blacktop and just about all the on & off ramps where I live are 270-degree clock-wise turns. That wears the outermost line of tread on the driver's side and through rotation, that wear is now across all five tires. The remaining ~85% of the tread is evenly worn so flipping them will take the wear OFF the white-wall side and begin to wear the black-wall side (now on the outside). If I don't have to buy a new set of tires for another 15-20K, that's money I DON'T have to spend now. When that time comes, I'll upgrade my tires from the stock 255/70R/18 Bridgestone Dueler A/Ts to something larger, newer, and better.
Again, thanks to your input. Thats what makes forums like this so beneficial. BTW- If you have some spare cash to throw my way to start my tire replacement fund, I'll gladly accept it!
12-29-2015, 11:30 PM
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Jeep mojo - thanks for chiming in. First of all, my reason for doing a 5-tire rotation is to basically add time (and mileage) between tire replacement (as explained in numerous posts on this forum and others). It also means ill have a spare with equal tread wear should i need it. Yes, there is a down-side to this methodology... IF I do end up trashing one of my tires, a direct replacement will be brand new and will be a different diameter than the remaining originals. However, if I were to keep my spare 100% new by never bringing it into rotation, it would still be aging by hanging on my tailgate. No tread wear but age none the less.
My reasoning for flipping them is to even the wear across the tread. My alignment is fine. My use is about 98% blacktop and just about all the on & off ramps where I live are 270-degree clock-wise turns. That wears the outermost line of tread on the driver's side and through rotation, that wear is now across all five tires. The remaining ~85% of the tread is evenly worn so flipping them will take the wear OFF the white-wall side and begin to wear the black-wall side (now on the outside). If I don't have to buy a new set of tires for another 15-20K, that's money I DON'T have to spend now. When that time comes, I'll upgrade my tires from the stock 255/70R/18 Bridgestone Dueler A/Ts to something larger, newer, and better.
Again, thanks to your input. Thats what makes forums like this so beneficial. BTW- If you have some spare cash to throw my way to start my tire replacement fund, I'll gladly accept it!
My reasoning for flipping them is to even the wear across the tread. My alignment is fine. My use is about 98% blacktop and just about all the on & off ramps where I live are 270-degree clock-wise turns. That wears the outermost line of tread on the driver's side and through rotation, that wear is now across all five tires. The remaining ~85% of the tread is evenly worn so flipping them will take the wear OFF the white-wall side and begin to wear the black-wall side (now on the outside). If I don't have to buy a new set of tires for another 15-20K, that's money I DON'T have to spend now. When that time comes, I'll upgrade my tires from the stock 255/70R/18 Bridgestone Dueler A/Ts to something larger, newer, and better.
Again, thanks to your input. Thats what makes forums like this so beneficial. BTW- If you have some spare cash to throw my way to start my tire replacement fund, I'll gladly accept it!
The tires you were running were discontinued, and now the spare does not match? Oh yes, it happens.
You change tire sizes?
You change tread type, AT for MT?
Your tires are low in the tread department and you put that "new" spare into play and the difference in diameter plays havoc with the speed sensors?
12-30-2015, 11:49 AM
#25
JK Junkie
yeh i guess i see your logic there somewhat
Just what exactly is an un-used spare worth when;
The tires you were running were discontinued, and now the spare does not match? Oh yes, it happens.
You change tire sizes?
You change tread type, AT for MT?
Your tires are low in the tread department and you put that "new" spare into play and the difference in diameter plays havoc with the speed sensors?
The tires you were running were discontinued, and now the spare does not match? Oh yes, it happens.
You change tire sizes?
You change tread type, AT for MT?
Your tires are low in the tread department and you put that "new" spare into play and the difference in diameter plays havoc with the speed sensors?
i guess theres different strokes for different folks , i also understand never having the extra cash to just toss at new tires untill needed . (its one of the things we just ignore till we see them getting worn down and time to buy new but
ill be only buying 4 tires not 5 and so far its been 5 years on these tires i have, my spare dosent look old or dry rotted with cracks still looks new. I dont recall doing 5 tire rotation as a recommended process my whole life im 51 i dont think ill start now cuz its a new idea that seems to have surfaced not long ago . Ill be buying nitto trail grapplers again so i dont have that concern you mentioned of changing tire size or style. and the spare can be sold easy enough if i felt the need to re coup the money on it someday , or just buy one more and put them on a trailer . Thought id toss my method out there as well . & your right thats what is great about the forums differrnce in opinions and reasons for the difference in the opinion
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12-30-2015, 08:33 PM
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Tires age whether they are in use or not. So not using your spare is a waste of money.
Found the following reports online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu...el_4b_Kane.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu..._4a_Soodoo.pdf
The Science of Tire Aging
Most of the testing conclude that the rubber used in tires loose some strength and elasticity during aging. This can result in tire failure (the worst failure being delamination at highway speed).
Found the following reports online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu...el_4b_Kane.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu..._4a_Soodoo.pdf
The Science of Tire Aging
Most of the testing conclude that the rubber used in tires loose some strength and elasticity during aging. This can result in tire failure (the worst failure being delamination at highway speed).
12-31-2015, 06:30 AM
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On the OP invoice froze the dealer. I chuckle when I see LOF. Oil and filter sure, lube? To me that notes chassis lube of u joints, ball joints, ect. None of which are serviceable on a new JK. (Or many new vehicles)
Rate seems fare, cheaper to rotate yourself when you can....ie no snow.
Rate seems fare, cheaper to rotate yourself when you can....ie no snow.
12-31-2015, 08:51 AM
#28
JK Junkie
lol i doubt my ten ply tire for a spare
Tires age whether they are in use or not. So not using your spare is a waste of money.
Found the following reports online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu...el_4b_Kane.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu..._4a_Soodoo.pdf
The Science of Tire Aging
Most of the testing conclude that the rubber used in tires loose some strength and elasticity during aging. This can result in tire failure (the worst failure being delamination at highway speed).
Found the following reports online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu...el_4b_Kane.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Docu..._4a_Soodoo.pdf
The Science of Tire Aging
Most of the testing conclude that the rubber used in tires loose some strength and elasticity during aging. This can result in tire failure (the worst failure being delamination at highway speed).
if the gov. spent our money looking at potus spending frenzi instead of looking at peoples spare tires we might just save the taxpayers a little cash heaven forbid
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01-01-2016, 04:49 AM
#29
JK Freak
<img src="https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=632723"/> Took my 2015 Rubicon in for oil change and figured I'd let them rotate the tires. Normally I would rotate them but we just had 2 feet of snow in the last 3 days so figured I'd let them do it. Afterwards I see the charge $32.50! Normally I would ask cost ahead of time... but damn that is high. Anyone else experienced this?
I pay Sears about $100 for a years worth of alignment and tire rotation.