Who has to die for the "stall bug" to be fixed?
JK Enthusiast
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Guess I'm going to have to get in on this. First of all - LOVE THE JK!! 
. I've had a few Jeeps and this is a great design. However... the stall did happen to me and it's not like running out of gas. It's a sudden and complete failure of all electrical components (to include the engine). When you run out of gas you get a few surges to let you know something bad is coming. What bothers me is if this happens while overtaking another car on a two lane, in a tight corner or even worse on the trail during a steep hill climb. The corner example actually happened to me and I can tell you it was a bit unnerving. Now had I been on an interstate and surrounded by traffic... unnerving wouldn't be the word I'd use to describe it. Don't get me wrong I have plenty of good things to say about the JK (this is the only negative actually). It just needs to be addressed by DC IMO. I'm taking a cross country trip with my JK on the Trans-America trail in about a month - we'll see if it happens again...
. I've had a few Jeeps and this is a great design. However... the stall did happen to me and it's not like running out of gas. It's a sudden and complete failure of all electrical components (to include the engine). When you run out of gas you get a few surges to let you know something bad is coming. What bothers me is if this happens while overtaking another car on a two lane, in a tight corner or even worse on the trail during a steep hill climb. The corner example actually happened to me and I can tell you it was a bit unnerving. Now had I been on an interstate and surrounded by traffic... unnerving wouldn't be the word I'd use to describe it. Don't get me wrong I have plenty of good things to say about the JK (this is the only negative actually). It just needs to be addressed by DC IMO. I'm taking a cross country trip with my JK on the Trans-America trail in about a month - we'll see if it happens again...had to add agallon of gas and crank it a bunch .
I read that someone put clutch in and restarted....mine (with auto) has stalled and come back on without starting it....Twice.
so don't expect any surges or lack of power...it just dies when outta gas
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It appears there is sufficient concern here that we should at least be able to get an official acknowledgement from Chrysler Corp that the problem exists... well, maybe not, at least not without a fix, but my purpose in starting this thread still has not been addressed.
We have to be proactive to get this fixed. This is not user error (e.g. running out of gas), not a build anomoly (e.g. many other cars that experience stalling issues). This is a problem with many, many JKs.
I believe that the options are as follows:
1. Insure that everyone who has experienced this bug has filed a report with NHTSA.
2. Start a letter campaign to Consumer Reports.
3. Start a letter/phone/email campaign to Chrysler Corp.
I am open to other options. But at least (1) should be done by everyone it applies to. I would be happy to help with options (2) and (3).
Joshua
We have to be proactive to get this fixed. This is not user error (e.g. running out of gas), not a build anomoly (e.g. many other cars that experience stalling issues). This is a problem with many, many JKs.
I believe that the options are as follows:
1. Insure that everyone who has experienced this bug has filed a report with NHTSA.
2. Start a letter campaign to Consumer Reports.
3. Start a letter/phone/email campaign to Chrysler Corp.
I am open to other options. But at least (1) should be done by everyone it applies to. I would be happy to help with options (2) and (3).
Joshua
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From: California
It appears there is sufficient concern here that we should at least be able to get an official acknowledgement from Chrysler Corp that the problem exists... well, maybe not, at least not without a fix, but my purpose in starting this thread still has not been addressed.
We have to be proactive to get this fixed. This is not user error (e.g. running out of gas), not a build anomoly (e.g. many other cars that experience stalling issues). This is a problem with many, many JKs.
I believe that the options are as follows:
1. Insure that everyone who has experienced this bug has filed a report with NHTSA.
2. Start a letter campaign to Consumer Reports.
3. Start a letter/phone/email campaign to Chrysler Corp.
I am open to other options. But at least (1) should be done by everyone it applies to. I would be happy to help with options (2) and (3).
Joshua
We have to be proactive to get this fixed. This is not user error (e.g. running out of gas), not a build anomoly (e.g. many other cars that experience stalling issues). This is a problem with many, many JKs.
I believe that the options are as follows:
1. Insure that everyone who has experienced this bug has filed a report with NHTSA.
2. Start a letter campaign to Consumer Reports.
3. Start a letter/phone/email campaign to Chrysler Corp.
I am open to other options. But at least (1) should be done by everyone it applies to. I would be happy to help with options (2) and (3).
Joshua
Like you, I would like to see this issue resolved, but I do think that so many complaints have been filed with the NHTSA that it is only a matter of time before an investigation will be opened. An investigation has already been opened on the Commander, and there are about as many complaints on the JK's now as there were on the Commander when they opened that investigation. I honestly think that Chrysler is already aware of the problem, and is probably trying to figure it out, although most dealers are denying it. I think the key here is that every person that experiences the "stall bug" needs to report it to the NHTSA.
JK Freak
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Though I haven't had a problem with the stall bug. I do have the poor coverage paint. I had a 2000 Dakota that stalled and the dealer couldn't replicate the problem. It only happened giving it gas during a sharp turn. The service manager drove it for a week with no problems. I told him B.S. get in and lets go for a ride. Less than a mile and it stalled out. Left turn in rush hour traffic. He almost pooped himself. I had already started the lemon process and after that had a check 3 weeks later. So in my opinion, Yes it needs to be fixed ASAP. But I have py 7k miles on my JK in 3 months and have had no major problems. I think you'll find more people die from talking on their cell phone than from the stall bug. Just document everything even if the can't reproduce the problem. Make them put it on your vehicle history.
JK Enthusiast
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I'm not saying I don't want mine fixed...just the oppposite. But my second stall happend right after the shudder flash which actually caused it to shudder for the first 25 miles. I'm in the security business ( alarms) and the biggest problem to FIND and cure is what causes a false alarm. As we all know intermittent opens or shorts are the hardest to find. It is ALMOST impossible to create the exact problem that cause the fault. It can be done in an alarm because it is a very simplistic item. this problem with the stall Must be very different.
I have heard on this forum that there was different Ignition switch (expensive compared to the one that DC actually put in.Anybody know if that member had success with the new switch???
I have heard on this forum that there was different Ignition switch (expensive compared to the one that DC actually put in.Anybody know if that member had success with the new switch???
JK Newbie
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From: ohio
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I had the stall bug four times in 2500 miles. This is my 4th wrangler. My wife wont drive it. I will not take my kids in it. Monday will be my 4th trip to the dealer. Crysler gave me a case manager since I filed my complaint with them and NHSTA. The case mgr is worthless. I need a fix now. If I don't get a fix for it maybe my wife can get a settlement. Oh with no fix for the stall bug soon JK will be short for JunK. Greg Shupienis Ohio.
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JK Newbie
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I have an EE degree, so that may help my credibility with this too.
If there is a transponder in the key and without a good contact the computer believes that a non-transponder key is in the ignition, it may intentionally kill the engine. If the contact touches again, it may start right up. This is a design feature in the software, but a bug in the ignition. No codes would be thrown.
I wonder if people may have a lot of weight hanging from their key when it "stalls." This could cause this situation if the ignition socket is bad.
Just a thought...
Joshua
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By that argument you'd never drive another automobile. Machines have problems. Factory workers make mistakes. You're just as likely to have your wheel fall off, because some yahoo didn't tighten the bolts properly on your last rotation.
I have a newborn (almost 4 months) and she will be riding in the Jeep -- as soon as I can figure out how to get the car seat in the Jeep, but that's another issue.
I have a newborn (almost 4 months) and she will be riding in the Jeep -- as soon as I can figure out how to get the car seat in the Jeep, but that's another issue.
I'm assuming you have the 2dr model. I just traded my 05 unlimited for the JK but what i did with that was leave the car seat in the car. Partially zip out the side window gently lay the bundle of joy in the seat and buckle her in.
JK Freak
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If you've had it stall 4 times in 2500 miles and they are dicking you around I'd get a lawyer. It will be worth whatever they charge you to get it resolved, but I would not want that vehicle back fixed or other wise.
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Not having a JK, but reading as much as I can about this issue and the Commander's issue, I really wonder if this is a possibility.
I have an EE degree, so that may help my credibility with this too.
If there is a transponder in the key and without a good contact the computer believes that a non-transponder key is in the ignition, it may intentionally kill the engine. If the contact touches again, it may start right up. This is a design feature in the software, but a bug in the ignition. No codes would be thrown.
I wonder if people may have a lot of weight hanging from their key when it "stalls." This could cause this situation if the ignition socket is bad.
Just a thought...
Joshua
I have an EE degree, so that may help my credibility with this too.
If there is a transponder in the key and without a good contact the computer believes that a non-transponder key is in the ignition, it may intentionally kill the engine. If the contact touches again, it may start right up. This is a design feature in the software, but a bug in the ignition. No codes would be thrown.
I wonder if people may have a lot of weight hanging from their key when it "stalls." This could cause this situation if the ignition socket is bad.
Just a thought...
Joshua