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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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And a 33mm socket
Yessss good idea
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 10:59 AM
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Humm... let me run some numbers here, tell me what you guys think...

2289 RPM x (57.0 kPa / 50.0 F') ---- Here I am assuming "Absolute temp" means the Intake Air Tempurate"

Engine Mass Airflow = 2289 RPM x 1.14 kPa/F' = 2609.46 RPMx(kPa/F') --- WTF is this unit

Fuel Mass = 2609.46 / 14.7 = 177.514 --- I gave up on units bob

So here I am with a fuel mass of 177.514, but I am not sure what a fuel mass is or how to go from here to MPG... still reading

Okay, so I'm closer...

MPG = 710.7 * VSS / MAF

VSS = Jeep speed in kilometers per hour.
MAF = Mass Air Flow in grams/sec * 100

The first part of the quoted equation seems to be trying to estimate MAF for vehicles without a MAF sensor (like our Jeeps)...

At the time I took these measurements my OBD data puts me driving at 45/MPH... or 72.42048 Km/H.

so MPG = 710.7 * 72.42048 / MAF
or MPG = 51,469.2351 / MAF

But what is my MAF
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Coondog33
New shoes are on.....
Nice
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by u-joint
...But what is my MAF
Okay, still digesting this, but I found this tidbit...

As for other ways of doing this, especially if you don't have a MAF sensor, by knowing the displacement of the engine, and after a simple "calibration" using fuel tank "fill-up" data to find the only unknown, namely the "volumetric efficiency" (VE) of the engine, MAF can be calculated from RPM, MAP and IAT. With VE, one can use the following formulas to calculate a synthetic "mass air-flow" (MAF) in grams per second, all without a MAF sensor, using the "Ideal Gas Law", as follows:

IMAP = RPM * MAP / IAT
MAF = (IMAP/120)*(VE/100)*(ED)*(MM)/(R)

where manifold absolute pressure (MAP) is in kPa, intake air temp (IAT) is in degrees Kelvin, R is 8.314 J/°K/mole and the average molecular mass of air (MM) is 28.97 g/mole. Note that, in the above formula, the volumetric efficiency of the (4-cycle!) engine is measured in percent and the engine displacement (ED) is in liters.

The VE of my 1999 7.4L Chevy Suburban is about 65%. Smaller, higher performance engines can have VE's of 85% or higher.
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Coondog33
New shoes are on.....
Looking good How's the ride?

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IMG]http://www.omninerd.com/images/content/1/30_article_57_thumb_equation1.gif?1244209543[/IMG]... still reading
Such a brave brave man . I was lost after the first = . Here's how I figure mileage - I fill it, she drinks it - we move ahead in time, and miles. It all works out

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...Just don't call us Soccer Moms in our JKs!!!
So long as you don't do a gender change, you're safe . But, is there such a thing as a Soccer Pop?

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I would have liked to have seen that ...with 3 teens in the back of my 2 door mine looked like one of those clown cars where 6 clowns pile out of that little car
The visual on that was funny!!!

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But with his new at&t droid phone he should have service everywhere he goes plus his JEDI powers enable him to communicate without electronics...
He should be able to feel a disturbance in the force . That, or his Droid (spelt Wookie).

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should be fun
I think Rick is in Stillwater today at the KICKER audio show
Yep, I sent him a text message

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Yup...as I was leaving he was arriving...
Gotta make sure someone's there
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by u-joint

Okay, so I'm closer...

MPG = 710.7 * VSS / MAF

VSS = Jeep speed in kilometers per hour.
MAF = Mass Air Flow in grams/sec * 100

The first part of the quoted equation seems to be trying to estimate MAF for vehicles without a MAF sensor (like our Jeeps)...

At the time I took these measurements my OBD data puts me driving at 45/MPH... or 72.42048 Km/H.

so MPG = 710.7 * 72.42048 / MAF
or MPG = 51,469.2351 / MAF

But what is my MAF
You have officially fried my brain cells ...I tried to re-read it to understand but half way thru I went cross eyed. I wish I had just half of your mathematical skills so I could figure out formulas
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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Duane, did you want to do our Sunday shenanigans at my place? I'd be glad to play host since were doing your place this evening
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by u-joint
...But what is my MAF
Going by the equation, I can tell it's not going to be 1.0 or 2.0
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Old Mar 26, 2011 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by u-joint
Duane, did you want to do our Sunday shenanigans at my place? I'd be glad to play host since were doing your place this evening
No one said anything about shenanigans
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