3500 to spend. help
JK Freak
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Looks like DR PHIL has definitely join the thread. BTW, if going 34 or 35, I'd use the two-one rule of thumb and go with 17s or your 18s, and stay away from Dr Phil's...He's all about the glitz and self-promotion.
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Thanks for input, honestly I'm on road about 99% of the time. I live in the city, and I drive a lot. I usually put on 16k a year.
I take the jeep out when I travel to my brothers down south. Nothing crazy, water and mud.
I'll probably get flamed but I really just want a nice, mean looking jeep that people can look at and say, nice! Lol
I look daily in Craigslist for tires but they are always on the verge of being bald, and it costs me $112 to have mounted and balanced at my local off road shop. Tire kingdom said they cannot mount without ruining my rims for some reason because of the elevated face design?
I wouldn't mind a pair of 33x12.50x18 but they're more expensive than 295/70/18 and I've even found 35x12.50x18 cheaper on discount tire direct.
I think I'm just going to add the rough country body lift, find tires...used (if I ever find a set worth it) or new. I'm debating a snorkel too bc I had water over the hood my last time out (yes, I needed new underwear). I found the aev knockoff for $118 shipped. I have read the threads on here about the two, it seems the 50% of people with them are happy, the other 50% say buy American, aev is better plastic, yada yada yada...
I take the jeep out when I travel to my brothers down south. Nothing crazy, water and mud.
I'll probably get flamed but I really just want a nice, mean looking jeep that people can look at and say, nice! Lol
I look daily in Craigslist for tires but they are always on the verge of being bald, and it costs me $112 to have mounted and balanced at my local off road shop. Tire kingdom said they cannot mount without ruining my rims for some reason because of the elevated face design?
I wouldn't mind a pair of 33x12.50x18 but they're more expensive than 295/70/18 and I've even found 35x12.50x18 cheaper on discount tire direct.
I think I'm just going to add the rough country body lift, find tires...used (if I ever find a set worth it) or new. I'm debating a snorkel too bc I had water over the hood my last time out (yes, I needed new underwear). I found the aev knockoff for $118 shipped. I have read the threads on here about the two, it seems the 50% of people with them are happy, the other 50% say buy American, aev is better plastic, yada yada yada...
Based on your criteria, I'd either do flat flares or the RC body lift. You don't need a suspension lift for off road performance. Money would be better allocated towards regearing than a lift--given your criteria. I wouldn't buy a cheap snorkel if it is actually going to be used as a snorkel.
For used parts, look on this and other jeep and jk forums--in addition to craigslist.
I am not buying the startign salary averaging 70k a year for a programmer with a BS or a masters even, but hey good luck to them....and the whole student loans only being 50% of your expected 1st year salary is even more silly. Four years of college but can only take loans out that equal 50% of their first year salary i don't get it, maybe if you said 50% of what your first 5 years anticipated salary i could see your intent. I would hate to try and alienate people from families who cannot afford collge from loans when it may be their only option.
And who cares when a person graduates as long as they pay their loans back. I took way over 4 years to graduate but i also was able to do a lot of things that people my age now have never done and probably never will because there are certain things in your life you can't do when you get older and have responsibilities etc...And i never missed a payment either.
There are also plenty of jobs in the workforce that do not pay highly but require a degree, where do these fall? Seems like money is the biggest driver here and i guess money doesn't drive me...
What about people who change majors or those who graduate with a liberal arts degree and can work in a ton of different fields.
Anyways sorry to derail the thread but hey, that's what forums are for
and to the original poster....just spend it and you probably would have been better off not saying where you got the money from....
And who cares when a person graduates as long as they pay their loans back. I took way over 4 years to graduate but i also was able to do a lot of things that people my age now have never done and probably never will because there are certain things in your life you can't do when you get older and have responsibilities etc...And i never missed a payment either.
There are also plenty of jobs in the workforce that do not pay highly but require a degree, where do these fall? Seems like money is the biggest driver here and i guess money doesn't drive me...
What about people who change majors or those who graduate with a liberal arts degree and can work in a ton of different fields.
Anyways sorry to derail the thread but hey, that's what forums are for
and to the original poster....just spend it and you probably would have been better off not saying where you got the money from....
These are some good sources of information regarding college (keep in mind that I am an adjunct college professor of finance at a private liberal arts school with annual tuition/fees/books in the $25k range that did not make these lists):
Read this article: Only 150 of 3500 U.S. Colleges Are Worth the Investment: Former Secretary of Education | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance
Look at this website for the regional school values: College ROIs By Region
We live in Montana, but I sent my son to Utah State University in Logan, Utah. It is #10 for the Mountain Schools ROI. Average starting salary for the entire University is $41,500. Last year, there were 43 graduates with a BS in CS, with a starting salary range of $39,156 - $115,624. There were 22 MS CS grads with a starting salary range of $58,536 - $146,807. L-3 Communications hired 5 of them with starting salaries of $76,210 - $116,289. According to my son's academic advisor, the average starting salary of those BS CS grads who decided not to stay in Northern Utah was in excess of $70,000. Here is data regarding the University: Utah State University - Main Campus School Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale
My intent is serious. I don't believe that a non-teaching Spanish major should be allowed to accumulate taxpayer-subsidized student loans in excess of 50% of the average starting salary from the school they attend. (I have a non-teaching BA in Spanish.) If the average starting salary of a non-teaching Spanish BA graduate is $25k in a sales job at Verizon or similar, their maximum subsidized student loans should be limited to $12,500, not $50,000 (50% of the first 5 years salary). Graduating with a non-teaching BA in Spanish with $50,000 in student loan debt is crippling.
If a student decides to accumulate $50,000 in student loan debt to get a non-teaching BA in Spanish, I just don't believe that the taxpayer should subsidize it.
JK Junkie
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Your not very intelligent I guess. I myself have installed a " few" lifts and the reasoning I suggest that lift will save him money in advanced. But heck what do I know!!
JK Junkie
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Rather than buying a lift because someone tells you to, get a handle on what all of the different components do, at what heights you are likely to want them, and any negatives to the various components so you can make a more informed decision. (and be less likely to kick yourself in the ass for buying something you don't need, or making a bad choice based on someone else's wants/needs instead of yours.)
At that height, look for caster correction, axle centering, steering correction, brake line extension, bumpstops, links, etc . There are various options for each, and cheap isn't necessarily the best approach if you actually want to enjoy driving it. (meaning OnRoad, not offroad) As noted earlier, be sure to make a habit of crawling underneath to check the driveshafts - don't just wait for the noise to start. Reading through a few front housing upgrade threads might be time well spent also. (probably don't need sleeves/truss, but find out what gussets do!!) You could even get a jump on your search for the right gears to run with the new tires, since pretty much everyone with an auto and bigger tires starts thinking about it.
$3500 was just your down payment ...
At that height, look for caster correction, axle centering, steering correction, brake line extension, bumpstops, links, etc . There are various options for each, and cheap isn't necessarily the best approach if you actually want to enjoy driving it. (meaning OnRoad, not offroad) As noted earlier, be sure to make a habit of crawling underneath to check the driveshafts - don't just wait for the noise to start. Reading through a few front housing upgrade threads might be time well spent also. (probably don't need sleeves/truss, but find out what gussets do!!) You could even get a jump on your search for the right gears to run with the new tires, since pretty much everyone with an auto and bigger tires starts thinking about it.
$3500 was just your down payment ...
JK Junkie
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Based on your criteria, I'd either do flat flares or the RC body lift. You don't need a suspension lift for off road performance. Money would be better allocated towards regearing than a lift--given your criteria. I wouldn't buy a cheap snorkel if it is actually going to be used as a snorkel.
For used parts, look on this and other jeep and jk forums--in addition to craigslist.
JK Newbie
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Based on your criteria, I'd either do flat flares or the RC body lift. You don't need a suspension lift for off road performance. Money would be better allocated towards regearing than a lift--given your criteria. I wouldn't buy a cheap snorkel if it is actually going to be used as a snorkel.
For used parts, look on this and other jeep and jk forums--in addition to craigslist.
These are some good sources of information regarding college (keep in mind that I am an adjunct college professor of finance at a private liberal arts school with annual tuition/fees/books in the $25k range that did not make these lists):
Read this article: Only 150 of 3500 U.S. Colleges Are Worth the Investment: Former Secretary of Education | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance
Look at this website for the regional school values: College ROIs By Region
We live in Montana, but I sent my son to Utah State University in Logan, Utah. It is #10 for the Mountain Schools ROI. Average starting salary for the entire University is $41,500. Last year, there were 43 graduates with a BS in CS, with a starting salary range of $39,156 - $115,624. There were 22 MS CS grads with a starting salary range of $58,536 - $146,807. L-3 Communications hired 5 of them with starting salaries of $76,210 - $116,289. According to my son's academic advisor, the average starting salary of those BS CS grads who decided not to stay in Northern Utah was in excess of $70,000. Here is data regarding the University: Utah State University - Main Campus School Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale
My intent is serious. I don't believe that a non-teaching Spanish major should be allowed to accumulate taxpayer-subsidized student loans in excess of 50% of the average starting salary from the school they attend. (I have a non-teaching BA in Spanish.) If the average starting salary of a non-teaching Spanish BA graduate is $25k in a sales job at Verizon or similar, their maximum subsidized student loans should be limited to $12,500, not $50,000 (50% of the first 5 years salary). Graduating with a non-teaching BA in Spanish with $50,000 in student loan debt is crippling.
If a student decides to accumulate $50,000 in student loan debt to get a non-teaching BA in Spanish, I just don't believe that the taxpayer should subsidize it.
For used parts, look on this and other jeep and jk forums--in addition to craigslist.
These are some good sources of information regarding college (keep in mind that I am an adjunct college professor of finance at a private liberal arts school with annual tuition/fees/books in the $25k range that did not make these lists):
Read this article: Only 150 of 3500 U.S. Colleges Are Worth the Investment: Former Secretary of Education | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance
Look at this website for the regional school values: College ROIs By Region
We live in Montana, but I sent my son to Utah State University in Logan, Utah. It is #10 for the Mountain Schools ROI. Average starting salary for the entire University is $41,500. Last year, there were 43 graduates with a BS in CS, with a starting salary range of $39,156 - $115,624. There were 22 MS CS grads with a starting salary range of $58,536 - $146,807. L-3 Communications hired 5 of them with starting salaries of $76,210 - $116,289. According to my son's academic advisor, the average starting salary of those BS CS grads who decided not to stay in Northern Utah was in excess of $70,000. Here is data regarding the University: Utah State University - Main Campus School Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale
My intent is serious. I don't believe that a non-teaching Spanish major should be allowed to accumulate taxpayer-subsidized student loans in excess of 50% of the average starting salary from the school they attend. (I have a non-teaching BA in Spanish.) If the average starting salary of a non-teaching Spanish BA graduate is $25k in a sales job at Verizon or similar, their maximum subsidized student loans should be limited to $12,500, not $50,000 (50% of the first 5 years salary). Graduating with a non-teaching BA in Spanish with $50,000 in student loan debt is crippling.
If a student decides to accumulate $50,000 in student loan debt to get a non-teaching BA in Spanish, I just don't believe that the taxpayer should subsidize it.
I totally see your point on subsidizing education with tax payer money but to me if you can pay it back and have a career you like then why stop that or put caps on a certain value. I would also like to see how many people graduate with a degree but work in a completely different field which your proposal does not take into account.
I work for a large bank and out of the 20 people or so on my team only 6 have business degrees. The others include liberal arts, electrical engineering, health care administration, psychology, english etc....
anyways i have derailed this thread enough
Last edited by flyfsher; Aug 13, 2013 at 07:14 PM.
JK Junkie
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Just don't see a reason for a pavement queen to go over 3". But ok....that's you're opinion, everyone has one. He could easily run 35's as his jeep sits now, or get a quality 2.5" coil lift for half that
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JK Freak
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I think I'm just going to add the 1.25" body lift to my 2" level (1" added in rear) and get 33s.
What do you guys think about a 305/65/18 tire? That's 34x12 I believe. Also thinking about 305/60/18 which is 33x12 irrc. I'd rather have the wider look than tall and skinny.
Appreciate the input from everyone, and the realistic issues with any decisions I make regarding additional modifications that would be needed, or highly suggested.
What do you guys think about a 305/65/18 tire? That's 34x12 I believe. Also thinking about 305/60/18 which is 33x12 irrc. I'd rather have the wider look than tall and skinny.
Appreciate the input from everyone, and the realistic issues with any decisions I make regarding additional modifications that would be needed, or highly suggested.
Last edited by amick218; Aug 14, 2013 at 01:48 AM.
JK Junkie
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AEV is quality but then again most people like the stuffed wheel well look and a lot of bump stop, go with a 2.5 if you want