Ok I'm out. Good luck convincing the world that your stock suspension out flexes a properly set up aftermarket suspension. (Yes one with bumpstops.)

 

You are missing something. Just because you have a shock with _" travel doesn't mean you have _" of actual travel. You dismount your tires? Okay yeah then your argument applies. With tires? With unmodified pinch seams? With extended bumpstops? Sorry, no, you aren't using all that travel. Some of it is static due to the fact the jeep is sitting higher off the axles, as I mentioned above.

 

And we can all stop buying lifts cause there useless. I just like the look anyway so I'm happy with mine.

Zimmy5280

 

Way to revert to immaturity. Clearly that was never the point that was being made, but go ahead, as if that changes the actual discussion and facts.

 

Oh? You're out? When you see a 3.5 setup with the same or less articulation than mine? Here I'll repost again for you and everyone else. Like I said. Argue with the pictures big dawgs. Nobody has said a damn thing about that yet, why is that? Because I'm correct and it doesn't fit your narratives. Tough

 

Also, allow me to illustrate via hypothetical scenario. Imagine I have 3.5 springs. Guess what? I can throw in a 16" shock if I want. Does that magically mean I have 16" of usuable travel? No, it doesn't. The end. You're limited by your wheels uptravel first and foremost and then a few other various small things on the droop side which I'm sure I don't have to list for you. Brake lines, control arms, driveshafts, etc.

 

Ya I definitely don't know much..... But I wouldn't do that. Any how no worries and sorry if am wrong wouldn't be the first time.
Agree to disagree

Zimmy5280

 

Get mad or jealous or whatever it is that you people are, do those things all you want. Argue with the pictures. Not me. I'm simply posting what I've experienced and seen in real life. You people are responding to a comparison I made and mentioned by showing me other comparisons, and trying to disprove the reality of MY comparison, simply by swapping it with yours. This is fundamentally retarded for obvious reasons. I was not speaking about your jeeps. I was speaking about some that I have seen and wheeled with. Posting your jeeps does nothing to the comparison of the other jeep I posted. I'm not sure if you people are just grasping for straws trying to say anything to make yourselves feel better, or if you're actually that unintelligent

 

On the other hand, since I'm not a douchebag, I'd like to take this time to say nice rigs posted in here by you guys. No, I'm sure I don't out articulate your white jeep, and I can tell you right now I don't out do the dark colored one, or even match it. Lift height can be compensated for by proper trimming and bumpstopping, but yes, there is a point at which only more lift will increase articulation. I am now at that stage. I am running the maximum articulation possible at my height. That's the main point. 90% of jeeps are not using their maximum possible articulation, you can tell by the gaps between tires and fenders in flex pics at full bump. A longer shock requires a longer bumpstop. Most people do not think this far into it and do not realize that unless they're doing coilover builds, or struts, that about 85% of lift setups do not automatically give them more articulation than a stock suspension. A lift is primarily employed solely to fit larger tired and retain the same amount of flex. More often than not, these jeeps are not gaining articulation over stock. They are just keeping stock numbers with bigger tires. People like to shit talk stock but honestly it has a good bit of flex stock. You lose that with larger tires, therefor requiring a lift to regain it. This is a simple concept. I'm not sure what is hard to grasp about it.

 

I am able to achieve the same rti score because when my front uptravel ends, my jeep can still tilt and flex at the back, when other jeeps have already hit their rear limit of flex. They may have more front uptravel, but I have equal or more rear uptravel. This allows the jeep to achieve the same height on a ramp, or obstacle, as others with more front lift than I have.

It is a simple concept. Can you see how it equals out when I explain it that way? How I can overcome the same obstacles as quite a few jeeps with higher lift than me? I'm only trying to point it out and show others. I simply think it's cool to be able to be low yet be capable of going just as high on a ramp or obstacle as other rigs with more lift.

I love LCG builds and I also love doing things with minimal effort and additions. I think it's cool. I like to see other threads about large tired and no lift or small lifts, but none of them have much articulation due to the fact they don't clearance the rear wells. As far as I know, mine is the first to be this low with that amount of capability. I haven't seen any others anyways. Would love to, because I like the idea. I only made this thread to be a companion to those other threads here and on other forums. If anybody likes it and finds it cool or interesting like I do, then great, that's why I posted it.

Everybody is all about referring to planmans thread whenever big tires and small lifts are mentioned, and I'm pretty sure I've gone a step beyond that. They use his thread and setup as the benchmark. Well here's a new one.