I am about to sell mine as I have purchased Rock Krawler Upper fronts to go with my lower Front RK arms. No complaints but having adjustable uppers and lowers is a better route as the Jeep disease gets worse and you want to venture to more aggressive trails.

 

Here is my prior post, interupted by computer isses.

Hmmm, where to begin....

How about this fact: I have NEVER used the search feature on this forum, ever.

Stress on shocks and spring is not an issue and I never suggested it was. However, the brackets lower front control arm angles, and more level arms, especially lower arms, mean a better ride. That is simple physics.

Your opinion of AEV's bracets is just that, one opinion of many.

Yes, among other benefits like significantly reducing brake dive, reversing pinion angle rotation vs. oem or adjustable arm set up allowing the retention of the vibration free oem Rzeppa CV's, AEV's brackets reduce body roll/lean in turns. And rather than me writing a long, full and detailed explanation of how, that it seems you wouldn't believe anyway, I'll refer you to the book "Fundamentals of Vehicle Dynamics" by Thomas D. Gillespie and offered for sale by the Society of Automotve Engineers on their website.

I have read, with interest, different threads on different topics while I have been a member, sometimes logged in, mostly not. I have paid particular attention to tire and DS threads, and threads regarding transfer case issues. But why is what I read or choose to post about significant to you? Why are you so fearful of an open exchange of opinions? Get a grip man, we're discussing the pros and cons of a set of $100 brackets.

My real world opinion is based on a wide range of sources, but including experience riding and driving rigs with AEV and other suspensions. I have experience with prior Wrangler and CJ Jeeps too, but as we all know, or ought to, the JK's are different beasts. Real world opinion based on the knowledge that too many guys build their Jeeps for chanllenges they will never see, and pay, every day, the penalty for that last degree of articulation needed or utilized, or maybe that last degree of skid protection, i.e. weight never required, or pay for that grenaded transfer case caused by a double cardan shaft and the inevitable trade off between too little caster angle or too much pinion angle. The lack of bias comes because I fully recognize and write about the cons of AEV's brackets as well as the benefits.

As for some of your other comments about AEV suspensions, if you price the others, say Rock Krawler for example, and add the pieces missing - shocks come to mind, the AEV pricing is pretty similar. That is true of the realm of competing, quality bolt on short arm suspensions. With AEV, $1,650 and a long day of installation or the bill from the shop for installation and you are done. Nothing is adjustable, nothing needs to be.

On the bracket count, compare suspensions, the RK and AEV have exactly the same number of brackets, except AEV's suspension includes the control arm brackets. This is the same for most all other quality alternatives. In fact, if a kit is missing a bracket then it is incomplete and fails to address geometry correction that needs, or at least ought to be made.

Get a grip man and lighten up, were discussing $100 brackets. No call for the venom, the name calling or the ad hominem attack.

JPK

 

I mentioned this book in my prior post. It would do you a world of good to read it. "Funamentals of Vehicle Dynamics" written by Thomas D. Gillespie, PhD., and available from The Society of Automotive Engineers through their website.

Reading the book may not change your suspension choice, but at least you will understand the options available, the compromises each selection nessecarily entails, and ramifictions of the selections you make.

JPK

 

sure, so you say. i guess you're just really good at sniffing out hot topic aev threads to post up on. funny how there have been plenty in the past 4 years but that you would choose to chime in now. but, hey, whatever.

funny, in response to me regarding stress on shocks and springs, all you said was, and i quote "Well, that would be your opinion, eh? And, like mine, worth every penny of the cost." you made no mention of anything else and that suggested to me you thought they were in fact an issue. of course, you're more than welcome to say whatever you want now that you've done some research.

not sure what opinion you are referring to being that i have said from the get go that "that they're plenty of people who run them and are happy with them" and that so long as "you don't do any real off roading, you'll be fine with them" but yeah, i suppose it is just one of many.

how convenient. those who cannot put into simple terms what they claim to know often know nothing at all.

it's not everyday that you see someone who's been a member of the forum for over 4 years and who all of a sudden makes all their first posts in the same thread and then spend time looking for other hot topic threads of the same nature. in fact, after doing a quick google search of you, i saw that you stopped visiting this forum because you claimed to have "found out about the edited contents, meaning censorship, and the rampant bannings for nothing or for posting what would accurately be described as information". needless to say, i just wanted to know if you could be honest enough to say what motivated you to chime in now but of course, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen. so be it.

oh yes, clearly, i'm filled with fear and quaking in my boots get a grip man, we're discussing the pros and cons of a set of $100 brackets.

oh, you're so elaborate and specific about your wide range of soucres and experiences that i'll just have to take your word for it

and yet, you still felt compelled to throw that in there like it would somehow mean something. the JK's are different beasts and the only thing we're talking about here.

at "real world opinion". man, you really are special to have such amazing knowledge that too many guys build their Jeeps for chanllenges they will never see, and pay, every day, blah blah blah clearly, you wheel with very different kind of guys than i.

how self-righteous of you. to proclaim how unbiased you are must mean that you are truly, unbiased.

i have no personal experience with RK, wouldn't pretend to have any and i'm not even sure why you would bring them up. however, if you price another kit, say the rancho sport kit which, even before their rebate is less than half the cost of the aev kit and is acutally built better, you can still add something like an evo or aev draglink flip kit and still get the whole thing for considerably less.

nothing is adjustable and clearly, you know nothing about 2-doors or rear drive shafts.

again, i have no experience with RK kits and if you're telling me that you've made some kind of clever comparison here, i'll just take your word for it.

at ad hominem attack - get a grip man and lighten up, we're discussing $100 brackets.

 

you might want to try and read the book yourself as it might actually help you to explain what you pretend to know.

 

If we ever get the chance, I would love to buy you a beer my friend.

I have been to a lot of forums, and this is the best one, period. This is the one I post on, and by far the one I learn the most from. A very big part of why that is is because of you. You have novices here all the way up to ultra serious professionals. You have a vast array of sponsors that add a lot of wisdom and expertise and it's all very cool to see. And you make if informative with write ups, and you make it fun with cool videos. What you have created is a guilty pleasure of mine and I can't thank you enough for helping educate me over the years. I have learned more than I could have imagined from this forum.

I just I wish I had more money for all that cool as heck EVO stuff so I could keep up with you.

Sorry if I misjudged you, I have 3 young boys and I am a bit sensitive to making sure all the children play nice. But this is not my house after all, it's yours.

 

what? has my cover been blown?? whatever you've heard, they're all lies, don't believe any of it - i am a bastard!!

i do hope there comes a day when we can hook up and have a drink together.

 

I'll be in Moab exactly one month from now. If your not there, I'll have one in your stead.