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Balancing wheels: Weights inside or out

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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieRay
Beg to differ, mine were the easiest of all the upgrades I made. Never had any problems with them. Not sure about the sensors though.

Everything I have read says the beads will ruin the sensors. If they work for you great, but many, say not too.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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Mine is an 07, no sensors.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:44 PM
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Just for the record - the entire Nitrogen thing is total BS.

Air is about 78% Nitrogen. Pure Nitrogen is only 22% more N2, hardly night and day.

Nitrogen expands and contracts just like air, because its what AIR IS MOSTLY. Its a gas, it follows gas laws, etc.

As for balancing...yeah, dynamic road force is the way to go. The shop I use can balance the biggest boggers every time, never a return for rebalancing. (Hunter, same machine..)

A good shop knows all the tricks, for example...there's a heavy side on every tire, and a heavy side on every rim....a good shop makes sure that these spots are 180 degrees apart, etc...to cancel out as much of the imbalance to start with, before a single weight is added.

And yep - if you're aired down (w/o bead locks...) you CAN spin a tire on the rim, screwing up your balance. Hell, dried mud, rocks, etc, can get into stuff, a lug can get ripped off, a nail can get imbedded, etc, and "rebalance" the tires too.

So - weights should be added inside and outside on a road force machine for dynamic 3 dimensional balancing. I take a sharpie, and mark the outlines of the weights...so if one gets MIA, I can tell.

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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TEEJ
Just for the record - the entire Nitrogen thing is total BS.

Air is about 78% Nitrogen. Pure Nitrogen is only 22% more N2, hardly night and day.


You bring up a good point about Nitrogen, albeit off topic. I know that the Racecars such as NASCAR only use Nitrogen for their tires, I heard it was because nitrogen leaks out slower than air. I just looked up the viscosity of both gases and there is virtually no difference, in fact the air is a little lower than nitrogen. So then I looked up why NASCAR uses nitrogen. Here's what they say:

Fact: Goodyear gives the teams tires with air in them, but the first thing the tire specialists do is let the air out and replace it with nitrogen. Why? Well, compressed nitrogen has less moisture in it than compressed air.

When the tire heats up, the moisture inside it will vaporize and expand, increasing the tire pressure. By using nitrogen instead of air, we have more control over how much the pressure will build when the tires heat up.

We also use nitrogen to power the air guns for pit stops, for the same reason. Those guns are expensive tools, and the moisture in compressed air would damage them.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 03:19 PM
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What part of Germany where you in?
I lived in Cochem, on the Mosel River. It's near Koblenz, if that helps. I moved away in '03, but I sure miss those days!
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieRay
Beg to differ, mine were the easiest of all the upgrades I made. Never had any problems with them. Not sure about the sensors though.
Think he's agreeing with me that the sensors are a p.i.t.a., not the beads.
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacks or Better
Think he's agreeing with me that the sensors are a p.i.t.a., not the beads.

Oh, sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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For what it's worth, I have the bead system in my tires ($15 per tire) and I haven't had a single issue with them. I am running Micky T's 33 on my super duty.
The reason I went with the internal system was for several reasons. The main one being my weights kept falling off and I had tried both types of weights the clamp on and the stickies. Another reason I did it was I had a horrible death wobble and no one could figure it out, I knew of internal bead weights and I had them do that since everyone else was at a loss. BAM!!! Death Wobble gone. I had gone to several tire shops and had them check the balancing of all my tires and it always should balanced (except when the weights fell off of course )
Now my tires wear evenly and look great and my rims look nice and clean not having lead weights hanging off of them.

Hope this helps someone.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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The adhesive weights on the centerline of the rim have always worked best for me. I have had problems with out of round new tires that never rode smooth.
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade
Go to a tire shop that has a Hunter GPS9700 Road Force Balancer. .... If you go to Hunter's website and navagate to the GPS9700 machine you can do a search by zip code to find a shop near you who uses one. My shop only charged me $20 total! Usually they charge $10 per tire/wheel. Good luck.
Missed that part of their website. I was about to email their rep to find out who in my area had one. Rechecking their website provided the answer. Here is a link:

http://www.hunter.com/company/findrep.cfm
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