Best dual steering stabilizer?
JK Junkie
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From: CT
i also rode it with out and didnt see a change , but the 2 doors do seem to have a tendency to make you steer back and forth with the wheel a bit i notice ( i guess people refer to this as sawing effect) id like to reduce it if i can . Not that im really having a issue with it but id prefer none . Aim and go rather than any left and right steering would be nicer. Not 100% sure that would really prevent it completely . That just seems to be part of driving a jeep id assume . ive had trucks that did this too its not problematic There easily pushed around with winds . but that 1" inch margine of left and right going down straight road id like to stiffen up. They all do it right off the show room floor so its not just mine. Ats seems a little over priced though , i dont want to spend it and see no results just a empty pocket after buying one . Are there a lot breaking #? i only heard of one guy here on the forum .
JK Freak
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From: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Remain in a box, if your rig is set up right.
PS:Sorry, now i'll go back and read your post, because mines not
Update: I'm going to just save my money, by going down checking torque on some bolts. I do have a longer wheel base than the 2 door. All make sense
Sure id lose count on the tootsie pop idea
PS:Sorry, now i'll go back and read your post, because mines not
Update: I'm going to just save my money, by going down checking torque on some bolts. I do have a longer wheel base than the 2 door. All make sense
Sure id lose count on the tootsie pop idea
Last edited by JK08MCS; May 15, 2015 at 06:30 PM.
JK Freak
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From: Irvine
This is the way I'm going shortly (Ram Assist). On my 13, I did put on the Fox ATS is adjustable and I did notice a nice difference in the wheel not jerking back in forth in my hand over uneven pavement and big bumps (Bump Steer). I run 38x15.5s so that definitely doesnt help. The Fox definitely did help, but just not enough for me. I will be going Ram Assist this time as I have the same issue with my 14 now.
JK Junkie
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: Israel
It seems that there are more misconceptions about Steering stabilizers than about anything else...
When the suspension is in good shape, the SS doesn’t dampen. You can’t even feel if it’s on the Jeep or not.
The ONLY purpose of steering stabilizers is to prevent the steering wheel from flying off the hands, and maintaining steering control, in case of failure.
There’s a steering stabilizer on practically every vehicle, including on independent suspensions.
(BTW, it’s not “solid front diff”, it’s a “floating axle”)
Rolls-Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc., definitely do not install SS “to make up for how shitty of a design their steering system”... Yet, they all have steering stabilizers.
A steering stabilizer is not there to cover up for bad maintenance, it is a safety part that’s intended to save your life in case of a failure.
A good analogy would be a fuse, which does nothing, until something else fails, in which case the fuse prevents a fire.
The hydro replaces the stock power steering, and just like the stock power steering, it has nothing to do with the SS and cannot replace or eliminate it as a safety part.
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Jeeps, like any vehicle with floating axles, have less directional stability, hence the need for constant small steering corrections.
The rear axle – and not the front one – is the main cause.
When the rear axles moves up or down, the radius arm makes it move to the left or right.
What actually happens is that the rear of the body moves sideways, relative to the rear axle – the body rotates along its longitudinal axis.
As the front axle rotates together with the body, the front wheels point to a new direction, a bit to the left of to the right. Obviously, the result is a change in the driving line, a change that has to be corrected by the driver.
This sketch shows how it works:
The effect of wind gusts cannot be eliminated, but almost all of the “snaking” can be eliminated by eliminating the sideways movements of the rear axle.
This can be achieved by any of the mods that eliminate the radius arm.
The major options are –
Triangulated 4 Links:
EVO Lever:
CRC Link:
The last one is what I have on my Jeep. It’s the simplest and least expensive, and it works.
A very light grip of the steering wheel is enough at highway speeds, and on bumps. The constant steering corrections are history.
“It's my understanding that the stabilizers are there to dampen movement caused by rough roads…..”
The ONLY purpose of steering stabilizers is to prevent the steering wheel from flying off the hands, and maintaining steering control, in case of failure.
“all it does is lessen the bump steer associated with a solid front diff.”
(BTW, it’s not “solid front diff”, it’s a “floating axle”)
“the stabilizer is there strictly to make up for how shitty of a design the steering system is. (has been this way for a long long time)
it is there to save money...so yes its free.
you need to do some research or perhaps talk to an engineer...because your are light years away from understanding it.”
it is there to save money...so yes its free.
you need to do some research or perhaps talk to an engineer...because your are light years away from understanding it.”
“As to running without a SS, as those in the know know, if your suspension is setup correctly, you dont need to run one.”
A good analogy would be a fuse, which does nothing, until something else fails, in which case the fuse prevents a fire.
“Full hydro is the only way to go. It's like having dual stabilizers that steer for you.”
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“ive been concidering upgrading my 2 door 2012 with something that may help that slight sawing effect u get on a 2 door
i mean mine dosent wander but i hear they help tighten it up a tad.
Im in no rush to shell out 325 or so , at this point . I just hear they make a big difference to those who bought them. if it helps some , ill prob pick one up when the cash is freed up . if its a waste maybe theres one better than stock"
i mean mine dosent wander but i hear they help tighten it up a tad.
Im in no rush to shell out 325 or so , at this point . I just hear they make a big difference to those who bought them. if it helps some , ill prob pick one up when the cash is freed up . if its a waste maybe theres one better than stock"
“the 2 doors do seem to have a tendency to make you steer back and forth with the wheel a bit i notice ( i guess people refer to this as sawing effect) id like to reduce it if i can ….. Aim and go rather than any left and right steering would be nicer.
Not 100% sure that would really prevent it completely. That just seems to be part of driving a jeep id assume.”
Not 100% sure that would really prevent it completely. That just seems to be part of driving a jeep id assume.”
“A front solid axle is the reason for the back and forth in the steering. As one wheel moves up or down on the road the axle shifts because of the track bar.”
The rear axle – and not the front one – is the main cause.
When the rear axles moves up or down, the radius arm makes it move to the left or right.
What actually happens is that the rear of the body moves sideways, relative to the rear axle – the body rotates along its longitudinal axis.
As the front axle rotates together with the body, the front wheels point to a new direction, a bit to the left of to the right. Obviously, the result is a change in the driving line, a change that has to be corrected by the driver.
This sketch shows how it works:
The effect of wind gusts cannot be eliminated, but almost all of the “snaking” can be eliminated by eliminating the sideways movements of the rear axle.
This can be achieved by any of the mods that eliminate the radius arm.
The major options are –
Triangulated 4 Links:
EVO Lever:
CRC Link:
The last one is what I have on my Jeep. It’s the simplest and least expensive, and it works.
A very light grip of the steering wheel is enough at highway speeds, and on bumps. The constant steering corrections are history.
Last edited by GJeep; May 16, 2015 at 12:03 PM.
JK Junkie
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From: New Hampshire
so do you suggest
a better rear track bar maybe from stock on two doors ? keeping it simple on a lower budget.
i lave no lift kit on mine. my rear is in line right now. maybe somthing that has better than stock bushings
i lave no lift kit on mine. my rear is in line right now. maybe somthing that has better than stock bushings
Last edited by jeepmojo; May 16, 2015 at 07:58 AM.
JK Junkie
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: Israel
No track bar can avoid that, the only way is replacing it with non-arcing parts.
The least expensive way that I know of, to get rid of the track bar and keep the axle centered relative to the body, is the CRC Link, made by Full Traction.
I think it's made for 3" or 4" or more lift, not for stock height.
Link - https://full-traction.com/detail.php...4&p=536&n=NULL
Here's how it works -- you see that there's no sideways movement when the axle moves up & down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSVgVcepVA
Last edited by GJeep; May 16, 2015 at 08:48 AM.