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Front bumpers, air bag compatible??

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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jayrav
How? You ask? I think this all goes back when a few people were decapitated including children in slow front impacts in their home garage.
so you do or dont want your airbags to work? you are afraid to make them not function but adding a bumper which you claim is not airbag compliant, but now you worried about decapitating kids if they do deploy ???

im not following.


anyways, whatever.
I pulled off the crushcans when i tossed my stock bumper, no regrets, no worries. I dont believe i compromised the safety of my vehicle at all. crush cans to slow a low speed frontal impact ONLY if you have the supreme luck of actually hitting them are of little use or concern to me. The PLATE STEEL of my front bumper is going to protect me and my kids far more than a couple of soup cans will.

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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wayoflife
yes, this is true but ONLY if you hit them. if you were to hit a pole dead center, you would miss them completely and they would do nothing.
Good point. That would really suck though
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by doojer
Here ya go:



I agree... it's nothing like a beer can. Way more like a soup can, IMO.
*L* hey, i forgot about those pics.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jayrav
How? You ask? I think this all goes back when a few people were decapitated including children in slow front impacts in their home garage.
You are right about the reasoning behind the cans... but the functionality is a whole different story. The airbags are controlled by a gyroscope type thing in the center of the vehicle (forgive my lack of technical lingo... but you get the point) which gauges the severity and location of the impact. The cans are there to absorb some of the initial impact in a slow, head on collision and might help to prevent the gyroscope from reading a more severe impact and activating the airbags. However, this is only assuming that you hit the cans dead on and that you don't have something along the lines of a roller fairlead that would block some of the impact. The likeliness of the cans being the deciding factor in airbag deployment is very low. If you want your kid to be safe from the airbag, put them in the back seat.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by somewhereinla
Airbag sensor will work with any bumpers. AEV and ARB bumpers are the only one to incorporate the crush cans, which will prevent airbag deployment at very low speed by absorbing the shock.
this is true but the problem is, if you install a winch and roller fairlead, it will stick out just a bit past the crush cans and in a straight impact, will prevent the crush cans from doing their job. and again, the crush cans are only as good as if they get hit.

Originally Posted by sin52
jeep mech said airbag sensor is in the middle of the vehicle. best bet would be don't park near anny soccer moms in their hummers...and don't drive into anything with your new aftermarket bumper
this is true, the sensors are located under the passenger side front seat. they are the two silver boxes between the seat and seat track.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wayoflife
yes, this is true but ONLY if you hit them. if you were to hit a pole dead center, you would miss them completely and they would do nothing.
Exactly.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jayrav
Thus the ARB and AEV front bumpers are the true airbag compatible bumpers.

Simply safer.
if you mean because they reuse the factory crush cans, sure, i guess so but again, the crush cans are only as good as if they get hit. if you hit a pole or tree dead on or have a winch, they are just as good as any steel bumper.

Originally Posted by Littlejon
All bumpers are air bag compatible, it is just that some do not incorporate the crush cans. All that the crush cans are there for though is to absorb a low speed impact that is directly in line with the frame. The likeley hood of this happening is very small, and now that there is a big steel bumper the force is spread out enough that I don't worry. There is nothing in the bumper that in any way shape or form affects the air bags.
exactly, there is nothing in the bumper that will effect the air bags.

Originally Posted by jayrav
Have any of you guys seen up close the crush cans?? If you have you wouldn't compare them to paper thin beer cans. Just like some else said here on this thread it to absorb SLOW front impacts from activating the airbags and I'm sure that they do just that.

Now, having that said I have yet to hear about anyone who has activated their airbags after a slow impact
with aftermarket bumpers.

IMO, I rather not take my chances.
again, if you hit a pole or tree in the center of your bumper, it won't matter if you have crush cans or not.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HappyCurmudgeon
so you do or dont want your airbags to work? you are afraid to make them not function but adding a bumper which you claim is not airbag compliant, but now you worried about decapitating kids if they do deploy ???

im not following.


anyways, whatever.
I pulled off the crushcans when i tossed my stock bumper, no regrets, no worries. I dont believe i compromised the safety of my vehicle at all. crush cans to slow a low speed frontal impact ONLY if you have the supreme luck of actually hitting them are of little use or concern to me. The PLATE STEEL of my front bumper is going to protect me and my kids far more than a couple of soup cans will.

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No stress HC Don't get me wrong, I just want my airbags to deploy ONLY when needed(hope I never need them) I'm just one of those people who think something is better than nothing and better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it at all.

Ateast we have options. For anal people like me there are the ARBs, AEVs and Mopars. For everyone else there are the LODs, PureJeeps, Shrockworks, ect.

Also, what I was leading to about the decapitations is due to those unfortunate events things like crush cans became a federal mandate which in turn destroys my argument

Its all good
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by doojer
You are right about the reasoning behind the cans... but the functionality is a whole different story. The airbags are controlled by a gyroscope type thing in the center of the vehicle (forgive my lack of technical lingo... but you get the point) which gauges the severity and location of the impact. The cans are there to absorb some of the initial impact in a slow, head on collision and might help to prevent the gyroscope from reading a more severe impact and activating the airbags. However, this is only assuming that you hit the cans dead on and that you don't have something along the lines of a roller fairlead that would block some of the impact. The likeliness of the cans being the deciding factor in airbag deployment is very low. If you want your kid to be safe from the airbag, put them in the back seat.
X2, but I don't have any kids yet, but if I did in the back seat they go. No doubt about it, but unfortunately some parents don't think this way and that is why these accidents happen
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:20 AM
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airbag won't be activate for the passenger seat unless the person is over a certain weight anyhow so shouldn't be an issue for children. my kids sit in back anyhow.
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