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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by surfer99
I found the U joint for like 30 bucks, the front and rear track bars for like 140 each but I cant find the adjustable lower front control track arm price any where.

First off do the prices I listed sound right and second of all does anyone have an estimate on how much an adjustable lower front control track arm would cost?

Once again I am just trying to get a total price in price for the lift.
U need more than just the U-Joint, you need the D.S.!

Here's a price on the CA's: http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...d=TF-001653700
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by surfer99
I found the U joint for like 30 bucks, the front and rear track bars for like 140 each but I cant find the adjustable lower front control track arm price any where.

First off do the prices I listed sound right and second of all does anyone have an estimate on how much an adjustable lower front control track arm would cost?

Once again I am just trying to get a total price in price for the lift.
You need the U Joint style front drive shaft, not just the U Joint.

Here's a link to Northridge's control arm page. http://www.northridge4x4.com/products.php?cat=126 You only need the front lowers. There's a lot of different choices there, Currie, Clayton, Teraflex, Full Traction, etc.
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JKBully
While I agree that on a lot of things you do get what you pay for, in this case I feel that you get what the manufacturer wants you to pay for it. But, that's neither here nor there.

I'd get this kit: http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_jk_4x.html

with: http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...od=RE-1883-365 and
http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...p?prod=RE-1810 for front driveshaft set up

and these discos because the Rubi discos won't work with this lift: http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...?prod=JKS-2034

and these trac bars: http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...rod=JKS-OGS121
http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...rod=JKS-OGS159

Totals:
Trac bars: $280 front and rear
Front D.S.: $363
D.S. adaptor: $83
Discos: $140
Lift kit with CA's: $860

TOTAL: $1726!

Now, you will have everyone telling you that you can't do this without ADJUSTABLE CONTROL ARMS!! I say B.S.! Look at it this way, the JK comes from the factory without adjustable CA's. Why? Because the control arms were made to specifically work with the specifications of the stock suspension. So why is it that an aftermarket suspension manufacturer is incapable of making fixed control arms that match the exact specifications of their lift? They can, and they do! You'll hear everyone say "But you have to set your pinion angle, or you"ll start breaking things", blah, blah, blah. If your angle is already set properly, like it is from the factory, then why do you have to mess with it any further? You don't!
And, if you wanted to, you can just get the Tom Woods extended front driveshafts, directly from Rough Country for $500 more. Just get in touch with Ben over there and he'll get you hooked up on the lift and D.S.!
If you really feel inclined to believe all of the people on here that will tell you that you can't possibly have a great handling rig without adjustable CA's, then still get the RC kit with the CA's, cut the fixed ends of one side of them, thread the cut end of it, and insert the replacement ends that a lot of vendors here sell, and you will then have adjustable CA's for a lot less money!

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much for links and detailed price breakdown. I def appreciate everyones help.
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by surfer99
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much for links and detailed price breakdown. I def appreciate everyones help.
No worries man! That's why we're all here, to help each other out!
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by w.wood jeepster
Front and rear track bars--I think the drop down brackets put too much stress on the stock components and the pitman arm.
front and rear track bar will add more stress but at 4" of lift, your track bar and drag link will be at a much steeper angle and this will effect the way your jeep handles. the installation of a relocation bracket and a dropped pitman arm up front is desirable because they will return the track bar and drag link back to a flatter factory state and this will help you jeep to drive much better. some companies such as teraflex are solving the stress problem by adding a reinforcement brace and this works very well.

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and these discos because the Rubi discos won't work with this lift: http://www.northridge4x4.com/proddet...?prod=JKS-2034
ummm, he's getting a rubicon and will not need sway bar disconnects.

while adjustable track bars are nice to have and jks makes very nice ones, they are not needed per se due to the fact that the rc kit comes with track bar relocation brackets. i have installed this lift and can tell you that they alone will recenter your axles pretty well.

Now, you will have everyone telling you that you can't do this without ADJUSTABLE CONTROL ARMS!! I say B.S.!
no, you can definitely do this without adjustable control arms but i personally wouldn't recommend it.

Look at it this way, the JK comes from the factory without adjustable CA's. Why? Because the control arms were made to specifically work with the specifications of the stock suspension. So why is it that an aftermarket suspension manufacturer is incapable of making fixed control arms that match the exact specifications of their lift?
because not everyone wants to stick with the coils that they get in a kit. some want the ability to upgrade to something taller in the future or some just need to get arms to go with the starter kit that they have now and didn't come with control arms. adjustability give you options and that is something that everyone should want. well, at least me anyway.

They can, and they do! You'll hear everyone say "But you have to set your pinion angle, or you"ll start breaking things", blah, blah, blah. If your angle is already set properly, like it is from the factory, then why do you have to mess with it any further? You don't!
and if you decide to change out your coils to something higher or hell, go with with a set from a different make, you are screwed. contrary to what you seem to think, no two 4" coil made by different manufacturers measures the same and in some cases, the differences are significant. needless to say, if you were to install a set of control arms designed specifically for an rc 4" lift, i can assure you they will not be correct for a jeep running a tf 4" coil as the difference in height between the two is almost 2".

If you really feel inclined to believe all of the people on here that will tell you that you can't possibly have a great handling rig without adjustable CA's, then still get the RC kit with the CA's, cut the fixed ends of one side of them, thread the cut end of it, and insert the replacement ends that a lot of vendors here sell, and you will then have adjustable CA's for a lot less money!
nobody said that you "needed" to get adjustable control arms in order to get great handling. the rc kit comes with cam bolts and you can use them to give you more caster and that'll take care of things. the problem with cam bolts is that it's a budget fix that requires you to slot your lower control arm mounts and experience has taught me that if you run bigger tires and wheel your jeep hard, it is difficult to keep these bolts from loosening up and moving around. adjustable control arms simply give you the same ability to add more caster and without having to slot out any mounts. also, most adjustable control arms are much stronger than stock arms and have joints that are more flexible too - both of which is good to have when installing bigger tires and working outside of factory specs. while hacking your factory arms and adding replacement ends will work, they are still ultimately factory arms designed for factory specs. but hey, it's your jeep and you can do with it as you want

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wayoflife
front and rear track bar will add more stress but at 4" of lift, your track bar and drag link will be at a much steeper angle and this will effect the way your jeep handles. the installation of a relocation bracket and a dropped pitman arm up front is desirable because they will return the track bar and drag link back to a flatter factory state and this will help you jeep to drive much better. some companies such as teraflex are solving the stress problem by adding a reinforcement brace and this works very well.



ummm, he's getting a rubicon and will not need sway bar disconnects.



while adjustable track bars are nice to have and jks makes very nice ones, they are not needed per se due to the fact that the rc kit comes with track bar relocation brackets. i have installed this lift and can tell you that they alone will recenter your axles pretty well.



no, you can definitely do this without adjustable control arms but i personally wouldn't recommend it.



because not everyone wants to stick with the coils that they get in a kit. some want the ability to upgrade to something taller in the future or some just need to get arms to go with the starter kit that they have now and didn't come with control arms. adjustability give you options and that is something that everyone should want. well, at least me anyway.



and if you decide to change out your coils to something higher or hell, go with with a set from a different make, you are screwed. contrary to what you seem to think, no two 4" coil made by different manufacturers measures the same and in some cases, the differences are significant. needless to say, if you were to install a set of control arms designed specifically for an rc 4" lift, i can assure you they will not be correct for a jeep running a tf 4" coil as the difference in height between the two is almost 2".



nobody said that you "needed" to get adjustable control arms in order to get great handling. the rc kit comes with cam bolts and you can use them to give you more caster and that'll take care of things. the problem with cam bolts is that it's a budget fix that requires you to slot your lower control arm mounts and experience has taught me that if you run bigger tires and wheel your jeep hard, it is difficult to keep these bolts from loosening up and moving around. adjustable control arms simply give you the same ability to add more caster and without having to slot out any mounts. also, most adjustable control arms are much stronger than stock arms and have joints that are more flexible too - both of which is good to have when installing bigger tires and working outside of factory specs. while hacking your factory arms and adding replacement ends will work, they are still ultimately factory arms designed for factory specs. but hey, it's your jeep and you can do with it as you want
All very true! I didn't mean to imply that the RC non-adjustable CA's would work with any other lift! You are right about them not necessarily working for any other 4" lift! I agree 100% that they will only definitely work for the RC kit!

I didn't mean to hack up the factory CA's. I meant the beefier ones that come with the RC kit. Much burlier than stock! That would allow one to use them with other lifts, if you cut them and put the adjustable ends on them.
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