Can you elaborate on that a bit?

 

what would you like to know?

 

OK, in comparison with the Superchips Flashpaq you tried out what did you like better?

Ease of use?

Power it provided?

Automatic transmission shift points and firmness?

Speed in which it installs?

Whatever else you can quantify that statement with.

 

Wow, didn't know we had a Hypertech rep on here!

BTW, am also another extremely satisfied Hypertech customer.

Love the fact that Hypertech is the only company ballsy enough to publish their gains!

 

Here's a little quantification for why I like my Hypertech programmer better, if that's a requirement for stating my preference. Buddy of mine and our wives went on an all day drive last weekend in our 2 Rubicon Unlimiteds. Both 08 automatics, same mods other then 2 things. He's running a Superchips program and a K&N cold air system, I'm running Hypertech and an AEM cold air. I doubt the air filters are making much difference, neither of us are drag racing at every stoplight teenagers, so that leaves one thing. We both topped off at the same gas station, ran all day, I got home with about 3/8 of a tank left, left while he had to stop 15 miles from home because his low fuel light had come on. I know that most people don't buy a JK for mileage but some of us do use them to commute or just plain would rather spend money on mods then give it to oil companies. My Hypertech definitely helped my driveabilty, and kept my mileage bearable at the same time so I've got nothing but good things to say about it.

 

I'm glad you like your programmer and there are no requirements for your preference. As someone who has owned both products and decided to go the other direction, I'm just a bit curious as to how people arrived at different conclusions than I did. I'm also not alone in people who have owned both and decided on the same route I did. So finding where the rubber hits the road on differing opinions is useful for a lot of members who will read this thread.

Also the fuel mileage thing just doesn't add up. What you presented suggests one programmer is getting 25%+ better fuel mileage. Having ran both on the same vehicle, if their was even a nominal difference between the two I never picked it up. I also calculate each tankful write the MPG on the receipts and make notes if there was a driving condition that made it an outlier or if I added a new component.

 

I sure think it's funny when some poeple get all wrapped around the axle when someone comes to a different conclusion then them, even when presented with the information as to why.

You could equate it to politics: Superchips =demos (Obama, Pelosi, Franken, Boxer....) and Hypertech the repubs (McCain, Palin, Romney...)

"My guy's better", "No, my guy's better", "But no, my guy...."

:rotfl mao1:: rotflmao2::rotflm ao2::r otflmao1:

 

"Also the fuel mileage thing just doesn't add up."

You asked for quantification, I provided some for you and you want to tell me it doesn't add up? Sounds like you just don't want to hear anything positive about a Hypertech product. Supposedly the Superchips programmer adds more power according to quite a few posters. Does it somehow make power then a Hypertech, but not use any more fuel to do it? Maybe my buddy has a slightly heavier foot. Maybe our fuel guages aren't calibrated exactly the same. Maybe his 33's actually measure 1/2 an inch shorter then mine. Maybe his wife weighs more then mine and they had more pop in their cooler. Or maybe you're just being a little too anylitical about my story. I'm not trying to get too scientific here. We made the same trip in the same vehicles with the exception of programmers and air filters. I got home with a few gallons of fuel left, he didn't. If I said I got home with half a tank left verses his being empty, that might not "add up". I don't think 25% is some sort of outrageous amount, and if you could factor in all the variables, it might turn out to be more like 10%. I'm simply sharing my experience, not trying to prove a point or force my opinion on anyone.

 

OK, I have gone out of my way to try and not mention the Hypertech product by name in my tests. In fairness, and despite making an effort to not using their name, I also place the disclaimer that they said their product would not work with headers on any JK.

I asked for some quantification because of the blanket statements made. The single response I had was an inference with enough outliers that would make discerning it more art than science. The differences stated were huge! Something that would point to one vehicle getting 20mpg while the other got 15mpg. I can guarantee you that you don't have those kind of differences based solely on a tuner. There needs to be what I would refer to as a phuck ton of other variables, and that removes logic from quantification.

There's also the misconception that to make more power you need more fuel. Better efficiency and more power can be made through the combustion stroke by way of fuel trims and spark advance. That is the secret sauce of dealing with any of the programmers on the market, and simply dumping fuel down the gullet doesn't in itself make more power.

So think what you may of what type of agenda you believe I have. My motives were far more innocent and I believe there are merits to their product. I've heard it said that some have liked the shift points better, although my understanding is that the rpm is somewhat lower. My personal experience was that the tire size entered after measurement was also closer, but as I refined it with both and calibrated it to my GPS is somewhat of a misnomer. I'm sure there could be other benefits as well, but my tests didn't reveal them and neither did they get revealed to others who I know have owned both.

That said, I think it's totally reasonable to ask for clarification on blanket statements and call those statements out when they aren't justified by logic and reason. If that doesn't sit well with you, my apologies.

 

Call me out all you want. I won't take it personal, I'll just take it as someone who has nothing better to do then dig at a competing product any chance he gets. I don't know the reason why, I don't care to know. I don't care if my Hypertech isn't "compatible with headers". If I wanted to spend the money headers cost, I'd put it towards a supercharger or a hemi swap. I'm happy with what my Hypertech did for the money. My Jeep drives better with it and I kept my mileage. My friend likes the way his Jeep drives with his Superchips, he notices an increase in power, but he lost out on mileage, confirmed by both his trip computer and now a comparison with another similar Jeep. By the way, I'm averaging high 16's on my trip computer, he's staying in the 13's. Not the "huge" difference you make the 1/4 tank of gas out to be when you say my comparison has a lack of science, reason and logic.