Which locker first??
The front first,
Here's two basic reasons why.
1.) The first obstacle you come to is usually seen up against your front tire or tires first.
2.) It's always easier to pull your self over then to push your self over an obstacle.
Yeah, from my experiences too.
Preferably a selectable for the front.
Here's two basic reasons why.
1.) The first obstacle you come to is usually seen up against your front tire or tires first.
2.) It's always easier to pull your self over then to push your self over an obstacle.
Yeah, from my experiences too.
Preferably a selectable for the front.
i agree. if your getting new gears they're still going to have to pull the carrier for whichever axle you don't put a locker in. might as well do both now since your paying for ideally the same amount of labor anyway.
My YJ and XJ had ARBs in both axles.
I ran the rear locked a great deal because most of the trails in my area have many steep rocky climbs that require some tight turns. I can make it through almost anything except the extreme stuff with just the rear locked.
I would only need to lock the front up to get up shear ledges (steps), then would turn it off so I could maintain good maneuverability.
In my JK, I chose to just Aussie lock my front D30 until it gets destroyed (tubes are already slightly bent), then Ill upgrade the complete axle and get an e-locker in the front too! If you don't plan on upgrading your front D30, then spending an extra $800 for a front selectable locker now will save you labor costs now.
Yes, you can get through most trails with no lockers. As a matter of fact, you can limp through most trails with a broken drive shaft by taking easy lines and bypassing obstacles. People who like to challenge themselves and their equipment by taking the difficult lines rely on lockers to do it safely and with a minimum of damage. People who rely on their rigs to get them through deep snow, mud, and sand also enjoy that safety margin that lockers provide. Look at some of the video of WOL, guys like him see a cool looking rock pile on the side of the road and can't pass it up without trying to climb it; why would you deny lockers to a guy like that just because you chose to pick your lines carefully? Why you hate'in?
I ran the rear locked a great deal because most of the trails in my area have many steep rocky climbs that require some tight turns. I can make it through almost anything except the extreme stuff with just the rear locked.
I would only need to lock the front up to get up shear ledges (steps), then would turn it off so I could maintain good maneuverability.
In my JK, I chose to just Aussie lock my front D30 until it gets destroyed (tubes are already slightly bent), then Ill upgrade the complete axle and get an e-locker in the front too! If you don't plan on upgrading your front D30, then spending an extra $800 for a front selectable locker now will save you labor costs now.
Yes, you can get through most trails with no lockers. As a matter of fact, you can limp through most trails with a broken drive shaft by taking easy lines and bypassing obstacles. People who like to challenge themselves and their equipment by taking the difficult lines rely on lockers to do it safely and with a minimum of damage. People who rely on their rigs to get them through deep snow, mud, and sand also enjoy that safety margin that lockers provide. Look at some of the video of WOL, guys like him see a cool looking rock pile on the side of the road and can't pass it up without trying to climb it; why would you deny lockers to a guy like that just because you chose to pick your lines carefully? Why you hate'in?
understand, I'm completely for lockers, Who the hell wants to wheel with someone that has to beat there shit to get over rocks, chances are they will be the ones that break and get you stuck on the trail for hours, trying to pull there shit out. That makes a bad day for everyone.
where we wheel, lockers are needed. Not on every trail, but the harder ones for sure.
where we wheel, lockers are needed. Not on every trail, but the harder ones for sure.
Okay...let's take a look at the folks who responded to this thread.
8 people indicated their agreement with installing a locker by suggesting one or the other.
1 person said that lockers are crap (you)
1 person mentioned that with lockers you don't need to finesse the skinny pedal. (neither for nor against)
So...80% of the respondents favour lockers.
No, I don't have a poll or a study to refer to...but among the folks that I wheel with there is no question at all. A locked rig on 33's can do things that Jeeps on 36's with open diffs have problems with. The two things that will make the biggest difference to any given rig's offroad performance are lockers and beadlocks.
Take a look at rigs that are truly built. I'm talking about the rigs that have given up any pretense of DD use, and are optimized for running on the rocks or in the dirt. How many of them have open diffs?
Because you say so, I'll admit that on the terrain you choose to wheel, lockers may not be needed...but in the place I go wheeling, they make a huge difference. If you don't believe me, try following me through three or four feet of snow with open diffs. I'm sure that you'll see the difference in a hurry.
8 people indicated their agreement with installing a locker by suggesting one or the other.
1 person said that lockers are crap (you)
1 person mentioned that with lockers you don't need to finesse the skinny pedal. (neither for nor against)
So...80% of the respondents favour lockers.
No, I don't have a poll or a study to refer to...but among the folks that I wheel with there is no question at all. A locked rig on 33's can do things that Jeeps on 36's with open diffs have problems with. The two things that will make the biggest difference to any given rig's offroad performance are lockers and beadlocks.
Take a look at rigs that are truly built. I'm talking about the rigs that have given up any pretense of DD use, and are optimized for running on the rocks or in the dirt. How many of them have open diffs?
Because you say so, I'll admit that on the terrain you choose to wheel, lockers may not be needed...but in the place I go wheeling, they make a huge difference. If you don't believe me, try following me through three or four feet of snow with open diffs. I'm sure that you'll see the difference in a hurry.
understand, I'm completely for lockers, Who the hell wants to wheel with someone that has to beat there shit to get over rocks, chances are they will be the ones that break and get you stuck on the trail for hours, trying to pull there shit out. That makes a bad day for everyone.
where we wheel, lockers are needed. Not on every trail, but the harder ones for sure.
where we wheel, lockers are needed. Not on every trail, but the harder ones for sure.

We discuss the difference between doing obstacles and "making" obstacles. Those that do it, usually do it fairly gracefully. Controlled, relaxed, little methodic. Those that "make it" mean at all cost. Hard throttle, body damage, easiest line, changing the obstacle, running starts etc.
I'm just an off roader who seems to be fairly realistic about my limits. I've passed things up I bet I could "make". But not at the cost of looking like a maniac, breaking something, or getting too off-camber to where it's unsafe for me and the Jeep. . I have no ego issues about backing down if I don't feel right. My Jeep!

(sorry for the long pointless rambling)
I vote for rear locker first for the reasons stated earlier...
[QUOTE=0311sgt;1446193]asve your money and dont do either, lockers are over rated been going for 10 years now and have never needed them.
I just posted pictures here from Logandale, the run we had yesterday. This would be a great place to test the locker/no locker theory
[QUOTE=0311sgt;1446193]asve your money and dont do either, lockers are over rated been going for 10 years now and have never needed them.
I just posted pictures here from Logandale, the run we had yesterday. This would be a great place to test the locker/no locker theory


