Long arm VS short arm
At a given lift height, lets say 4 inches, a short arm suspension can only travel so far before the suspension mechanically binds. At that same given height in a long arm the suspension can travel further before mechanically binding. So while the limiting factor of up travel is the bumpstops and typically the limiting factor in down travel is the shocks, the potential does exist for greater overall suspension travel in a long arm. Its a mathmatical fact. Now whether or not most people make practical use of that extra travel is another issue.
At a given lift height, lets say 4 inches, a short arm suspension can only travel so far before the suspension mechanically binds. At that same given height in a long arm the suspension can travel further before mechanically binding. So while the limiting factor of up travel is the bumpstops and typically the limiting factor in down travel is the shocks, the potential does exist for greater overall suspension travel in a long arm. Its a mathmatical fact. Now whether or not most people make practical use of that extra travel is another issue.
This was my 2010 JKU Sahara with 4" Rancho long arm suspension
This is my 2010 JKU Rubicon with 4" Skyjacker lift (factory control arms for now)
It didn't dawn on me till after arguing with Eddie aka wayalife (Moby's owner) about this that I DID in fact have LONGER and adjustable shocks on the Sahara that I do on my current Rubi..... And of course he was right.....
Last edited by Jersey_Devil; Jan 13, 2013 at 07:06 AM.
by GJeep
The maximum up/down wheel (or axle) travel is not limited by the arm. It is limited by the stops, shocks and coils.
Therefore, a long arm would give the same articulation as a short arm does.
The maximum up/down wheel (or axle) travel is not limited by the arm. It is limited by the stops, shocks and coils.
Therefore, a long arm would give the same articulation as a short arm does.
It could be theoretically true, but it doesn't work this way in a Jeep suspension – unless you redesign and build it from scratch.
The upwards movement is limited by a bump stop, regardless of the arm length.
The downwards movement is limited by the length of the coil when uncompressed – again, regardless of the arm length.
The coil binds both forward~backwards, AND sideways, anyway.
So while the limiting factor of up travel is the bumpstops and typically the limiting factor in down travel is the shocks,
The shock should have more travel than the coil.
the potential does exist for greater overall suspension travel in a long arm. Its a mathmatical fact. Now whether or not most people make practical use of that extra travel is another issue.
BTW, the OP has disappeared...
Last edited by GJeep; Jan 13, 2013 at 07:57 AM.
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Last edited by Jersey_Devil; Jan 13, 2013 at 08:36 AM.
Okay so under those set of "facts" for lack of a better term, what is the point of a long arm suspension? If it doesn't increase usable suspension travel and it doesn't increase ride comfort, then why do almost all suspension companies make long arm kits? BTW i'm not being arguementative i'm just trying to wrap my head around this concept of yours. I have researched in depth and talked to a few different people in the industry and your view point seems to be almost entirely opposite of what they say. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i'm fine with that. Just trying to wrap my head around this.
Hmmmm I'm on the app so I didn't even notice till u said that, then I went to the browser and can see locations.... I hope that's not why.... We're all jeepers here, no race, religion, government, color, sex, or anything else matters here.... We're all equal!
Big ol Jeep wave to the WORLD!
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That's one of the nicest things about this forum. Another is the good will and mutual help.
Okay so under those set of "facts" for lack of a better term, what is the point of a long arm suspension? If it doesn't increase usable suspension travel and it doesn't increase ride comfort, then why do almost all suspension companies make long arm kits? BTW i'm not being arguementative i'm just trying to wrap my head around this concept of yours. I have researched in depth and talked to a few different people in the industry and your view point seems to be almost entirely opposite of what they say. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i'm fine with that. Just trying to wrap my head around this.
Last edited by Jersey_Devil; Jan 13, 2013 at 09:37 AM.
Okay so under those set of "facts" for lack of a better term, what is the point of a long arm suspension? If it doesn't increase usable suspension travel and it doesn't increase ride comfort, then why do almost all suspension companies make long arm kits? BTW i'm not being arguementative i'm just trying to wrap my head around this concept of yours. I have researched in depth and talked to a few different people in the industry and your view point seems to be almost entirely opposite of what they say. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i'm fine with that. Just trying to wrap my head around this.
Yes, people install long arms on 4" lifted Jeeps. Why? They think it helps, and IMHO they're wrong.
Some people even tend to believe in the mod they did so much, that they would actually feel an improvement which isn't there.
For "high end" lift, say 8" or 10" for instance, the geometry of short arms wouldn't work right, and long arm are needed.
4" lift is just not enough for long arms to make a true Difference.


