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Which are more impotant, the upper or lower control arms?

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Default Which are more impotant, the upper or lower control arms?

I'm looking into the rough country 4" lift. It's the only lift I've seen that's more than three inches and doesn't have a set of control arms. The Skyjacker is the only one I've seen that has just the lowers. Which leaves me to question, is it the lowers that are more important? Because from what I've been reading members on here have said that adjusting the top angle of the axle to compinsate for the increased drive shaft angle is important. this way you avoid driveshaft vibration. Because I am thinking that it would be wise to buy a set.

Suppose I need a little coaching.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:31 AM
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 06:34 AM
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I see a ton of posts advising folks to get adjustable control arms, but very little information on which ones and what to do with them once you've bought them. I started a post a few days back and got a little info:
https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...t=control+arms

BTW If you call Dave at Northridge, he's got a pretty good deal on the Currie control arms. I like the idea of the Johnny Joints.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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Wow!!!! Yeah, thanks. It looks to be a good question. So far this thread has had 68 views and you have the one and only input on here. And with given the small amount of information that you received it shows me that not too many of us have this knowledge.

I really like the information that Mini-me supplied to you from the Teraflex website. However, it does add to the confusion a bit. This is the link I'm talking about. http://www.teraflex.biz/installsheet...ms_install.pdf
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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the upper control arms allow you to move the diff. up or down so that you can corract drive shaft angles. my lower control arms are fixed but i can still rotate the caster with the upper contr. arms
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by excrider450
the upper control arms allow you to move the diff. up or down so that you can corract drive shaft angles. my lower control arms are fixed but i can still rotate the caster with the upper contr. arms
Do you have a poor man's method for measuring caster?
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bOLsAK=3
Wow!!!! Yeah, thanks. It looks to be a good question. So far this thread has had 68 views and you have the one and only input on here. And with given the small amount of information that you received it shows me that not too many of us have this knowledge.

I really like the information that Mini-me supplied to you from the Teraflex website. However, it does add to the confusion a bit. This is the link I'm talking about. http://www.teraflex.biz/installsheet...ms_install.pdf
It seems like it works from length alone. If somebody can come up with a cheap easy way to measure caster, we can use those arms to really fine tune our rigs. And if we don't want to go with all eight arms, this link says upper rear and lower front are the ones to buy.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Okay, here's what I've found so far. Most of this has come from posters on British amature racing forums. None of the links are sponsors, so hopefully if they aren't okay they'll only disable the links and not delete them.

Here's some links to alignment tools under $200:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT

http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT

http://members.rennlist.com/captearlg/928aligndiy.html

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro....asp?RecId=883

Now here's some stuff I borrowed from other sites on homemade caster adjustment:

For camber you just need a builder's square ... and a bit of maths! Put the square up against the side of the tyre (it should touch the bottom first if you have negative camber) - then measure from the square to the lower lip of the rim and from the square to the upper lip of the rim. Using the difference between these two measurements and the diameter between the measuring points (plus a bit of Pythagorean Trigonometry) the camber can be worked out.

For castor the builder's square can be used with the wheel off and the weight on a block under the brake disc or lower ball joint to 'eye-ball' the angle to make sure the top ball joint centre is behind the lower one - measuring from the square, the actual angle can be worked out with the help of Pythagoras - again!

First I like to check the castor. I seldom make any changes to this adjustment. It is also not that critical to have exactly to some spec, but it is important to have each side even. For this I use the Magnetic base protractor. It is accurate to .5 degrees which I think is adequate for castor measurement. On a Strut car I simply place it on the strut and measure the angle of the strut. This may be off slightly from the spec books, bit the error is correct from side to side and it is fairly close. If you have a car with upper ball joints first check your spindles for a machined flat spot that is parallel with the ball joint axis. If this exists then you can simply place the protractor on this surface and measure castor. Many cars have this machined surface for various reasons. If it doesn't then all is not lost. You will need to make some sort of fixture that will "reach in" to the ball joints. You will need a vertical flat surface with two "arms"

If anyone else has ideas on this please give us a hand.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 10:03 AM
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in addition to the adjustability a lot of the aftermarket arms are beefier and stronger than the stock ones.. just another reason to upgrade..
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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Cant you just use an angle finder? I got a starrett one for about 20 bucks from msc-direct.com



WOL's Alignment write-up

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