View Poll Results: Which Tire?
KM2
174
56.13%
Toyo M/T
136
43.87%
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Toyo Vs. KM2
JK Freak
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From: Clermont, FL
That's good to know. And I imagine with some additional hand siping they could do even better. Stock the KM2' are wose in snow than I thought they would be. Siped they are pretty damn good but not as good as an AT.
I'm still havin a hard time wrapping my head around a 10 ply tire with s 4300# weight rating at 65 psi. Can it get soft enough to do well in sand and give a good ride? I accept that it's a good stout sidewall and that is good and I suppose I can deal with the weight as it's low. Does it wrap around rocks as well as an aired down KM2?
I wish Toyo would come out with a load range C tire with a stout sidewall for lighter vehicles like the JK.
I'm still havin a hard time wrapping my head around a 10 ply tire with s 4300# weight rating at 65 psi. Can it get soft enough to do well in sand and give a good ride? I accept that it's a good stout sidewall and that is good and I suppose I can deal with the weight as it's low. Does it wrap around rocks as well as an aired down KM2?
I wish Toyo would come out with a load range C tire with a stout sidewall for lighter vehicles like the JK.
Former Vendor
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: utah
I do know someone with the toyo MT's on there FJ that was having some issue with there snow traction, so he had them siped. He drove from SLC to the Oregon coast through a snow storm and said they handled awesome the whole way. I think if your someone that is dealing with heavy snow conditions that want's to keep MT's of any kind, sipeing is a good option.
JK Super Freak
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From: Grand Junction, CO
X2. The best snow/ice tires I've used are the BFG AT's.
I do know someone with the toyo MT's on there FJ that was having some issue with there snow traction, so he had them siped. He drove from SLC to the Oregon coast through a snow storm and said they handled awesome the whole way. I think if your someone that is dealing with heavy snow conditions that want's to keep MT's of any kind, sipeing is a good option.
I do know someone with the toyo MT's on there FJ that was having some issue with there snow traction, so he had them siped. He drove from SLC to the Oregon coast through a snow storm and said they handled awesome the whole way. I think if your someone that is dealing with heavy snow conditions that want's to keep MT's of any kind, sipeing is a good option.
As I've said before I had my JK's KM2's siped by Discount Tire using, as I recall, a machine by Safe-Tee Sipe. As a test I just tried both the truck and JK on my icy driveway and it took more to spin the tires of the JK than the truck. I have become a big fan of siping. So now the question is, how does a siped KM2 or Toyo compare to an AT, say the BFG AT mentioned above? If either come close a siped MT might be the best all around tire.
JK Super Freak
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From: SoCal
X2. The best snow/ice tires I've used are the BFG AT's.
I do know someone with the toyo MT's on there FJ that was having some issue with there snow traction, so he had them siped. He drove from SLC to the Oregon coast through a snow storm and said they handled awesome the whole way. I think if your someone that is dealing with heavy snow conditions that want's to keep MT's of any kind, sipeing is a good option.
I do know someone with the toyo MT's on there FJ that was having some issue with there snow traction, so he had them siped. He drove from SLC to the Oregon coast through a snow storm and said they handled awesome the whole way. I think if your someone that is dealing with heavy snow conditions that want's to keep MT's of any kind, sipeing is a good option.
Toyo MT's are siped.
JK Enthusiast
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From: Austin, TX
Local tire shop here quoted me $350 per tire for 35/13.50/15's Toyo's versus $205 per tire for the KM2 35/12.5/15's.... I'd love to go with the TOYO's but at that price differential it's a tough pill to swallow..
JK Super Freak
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From: Grand Junction, CO
Well yes and no. There are some groves that don't necessarily run close to perpendicular to the direction of travel that they call siping. I wouldn't call it siping but minor grooving. Go to this Bridgestone website:
bridgestonetire.com/Index_BS_EN.aspx?src=Bridgestone_Photos
and click on one of the pics of a Blizzak tire. I clicked on the Revo 1 Non Directional because that is what I have on my wifes car. THAT is siping. The Blizzak is the most amazing winter tire I've ever come across and I have pushed this tire hard to establish it's limits. Hard enough that the instructors at the Bridgestone Winter Driving school got mad at me for pushing the equipment too hard.
So no, the Toyo isn't REALLY siped. However I have no doubt that a Toyo that was really siped, as in the post you responded to, would be a much better tire than stock. I know my siped KM2's are. Having said all that I would NOT let a tire shop sipe my tires. They use a machine that is designed to make them money by being quick. I think a person could buy a siping tool for the cost of having it done to one set of tires, invest a couple of hours, and have a much better job.
bridgestonetire.com/Index_BS_EN.aspx?src=Bridgestone_Photos
and click on one of the pics of a Blizzak tire. I clicked on the Revo 1 Non Directional because that is what I have on my wifes car. THAT is siping. The Blizzak is the most amazing winter tire I've ever come across and I have pushed this tire hard to establish it's limits. Hard enough that the instructors at the Bridgestone Winter Driving school got mad at me for pushing the equipment too hard.
So no, the Toyo isn't REALLY siped. However I have no doubt that a Toyo that was really siped, as in the post you responded to, would be a much better tire than stock. I know my siped KM2's are. Having said all that I would NOT let a tire shop sipe my tires. They use a machine that is designed to make them money by being quick. I think a person could buy a siping tool for the cost of having it done to one set of tires, invest a couple of hours, and have a much better job.
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JK Super Freak
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From: Grand Junction, CO
KORE has the 37/13.50/17 Toyos for 295. 35 should be cheaper. 205 for a 35" KM2 would be a killer deal.
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JK Super Freak
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From: Vancouver, BC/Kingston, ON
well since I can get the toyo's for about 30$ cheaper than the KM2's around here for some reason I guess I'll give them a shot. Thanks for all the input everyone.
JK Enthusiast
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From: Waldwick, NJ
Even better than the TrXus M/T"s? I've heard those are awesome in the snow/ice!