I will research this more. My good friend owns ACE Transmissions in Colorado Springs, CO. (If anyone needs trans work in Colorado Springs, go here....he is one of the few completely honest ones out there...ask for Brant). I will see what he has to say about all this, and see what he thinks we should do. I think I may put a temp guage in as well. I will let you know what I find out.

 

That seems to be so for the majority. Sure makes me feel better.

 

It isn't alarming to you, because you do not have the problem. Count your blessings. Further, "most" of the people on this forum are NOT here because they have a problem. On the contrary, the number of people, such as yourself, who will come to the defense of Jeep and Chrysler, in the face of alarmingly poor build quality, never ceases to amaze me.

As to the multiple screen name allegation, did it ever occur to you that the posts are similar because the posters have exactly the same problem? Or because they may have used another's wording to describe their problem, since they perhaps aren't as articulate?

About your final assertion, that maybe someone, "is not liking how the tranny shifts", but that there is, "nothing wrong with it", I beg to differ. Chrysler has already acknowledged that there is something, "wrong with it" (not mine only but the 42RLE in general) by writing a TSB (multiple TSBs if you want to look at other applicsations) that involves a computer flash and/or a replacement TC. Further, you can look on any enthusiast forum for a vehicle that utilizes this transmission (Nitro, 300, etc.) and you will find similar complaints (poor shift points, premature TC lockup, failure of the TC to unlock until the vehicle is barely moving and finally, shortened transmission life due to friction material from the TC in the tranny itself).

Long story short, if you don't have the problems consider yourself fortunate, but be careful of minimizing someone else's issues, of which you have no direct knowledge. Finally, think of the forum as a "trend detector". At this point, there are very few of us here who would argue that the JKs don't have problems with leaking tops, crappy paint and rusty hinges, stall bug (07s) and hood bounce, wether or not you have these problems yourself. Similarly, there are so many reports of transmission issues on every JK board (as well as the others mentioned above) that for you to dismiss it as you have, is borderline offensive.

 

Wow Skibum sounds like you got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Let me take off my asbestos suite so I can type......... ahhh that's better, is it hot in here or is it just me?



I am not here to defend Chrysler I am here because yes my jeep has had a few minor issues and I like to see what kinds of problems people are having so I don't make the same mistakes. I also like to see what kinds of Mods and Ideas the people here come up with. I also like to help to help steer people into the right direction with their problems if I can. I have worked on cars all my life and I know a thing or two about them.

I am also an engineer so I look at this logically, relalistically, and rationally. I am sorry but you do not. As much as I would like them to Chrysler cannot make a 100% reliable vehicle and make everyone happy. No auto maker can.

Your situation and many others like it are very unfortunate and I wish Chrysler would take care of it, however its not in their best interest. There are in existence to make money and since the sale last year they are in "BEAN Counter" mode. All they are looking at is the bottom line and it would cost more to R&D a new tranny or retool and rush another one in production than what they loose by you not being a return customer.

As much as I wish I were wrong its not a matter of them doing the right thing, Its what's going to cost them the least.


As I said I don't like it but its business. I have been on the other side of the desk of the BEAN counters many times and tried to get them to spend a few extra dollars to make something right (which would save money in the end). However it always falls on deaf ears.

This is why I have been telling everyone that if they don't get their problem fixed THE FIRST TIME take it to another dealer. It should not take more than one or two attempts if there really is a problem to get it diagnosed and to fix it. That is if they have competent technicians(again why I say try another dealer). If the first time you took it in for the problem they said oh yeah it look like you need a new transmission or all new freedom top panels. Then the replaced them and you never had the trouble again, we would not be here having this discussion.

 

One flaw with this argument... sometimes you CANNOT take it to another dealer because the first dealer was ignorant and contributed to having the item to be warrantied blocked in the system. Hopefully these situations are very uncommon.

 

Once again, I've got to disagree with most of your assertions. But first, a little background. I too have worked on vehicles most of my life, both as a lifelong enthusiast and as a professional undertaking. I have multiple degrees culminating in a Masters in Shipyard Operations Management (Nuclear) I'm not some reactionary newbie whose upset because his floor mats don't fit correctly.

I look at this situation with complete clarity. Logic, realism and rationality rule the day. Unfortunately, they don't at Chrysler. I understand completely that no product regardless of the manufacturer's efforts to the contrary, can be built with anything approaching 100% reliability (remember, I built nuclear submarines for a living...........I am also a former Air Force pilot). I can tell you however, that Chrysler, and by extension Jeep, are so far off the mark that they run the risk of extinction. They are in severe financial trouble, due in part, to their "bean counter" mentality. This type of short-term business think (fuck the current customer, we've already got his money) is the proximate cause for virtually every American car manufacturer being on the verge of insolvency. Yes, It might cost them more in the short term to fix my vehicle, but in the end, not only will I never buy another Chrysler product, but I will tell everyone I know of my experiences. The old business adage that "make someone happy and they will tell two other people, but make them angry and they will tell twenty others", certainly applies in this case. Using Toyota as a contrast, my neighbor just had his late model Tacoma bought back due to frame rust. He never contacted them as he didn't know he had a problem, they just sent him a letter saying that he needed to come in and have it checked. When he got to the dealer, they put it on a lift, checked it out, told him it was done and cut him a check for 150% of blue book value. Go to any Toyota dealer around here and you will see upwards of 50 Tacos parked on their lot awaiting the crusher. My neighbor was ecstatic and immediately took the money they gave him and bought another Toyota Tacoma. Did it cost Toyota more in the short term to solve their problem.......absolutely. Did they make a customer for life...........also absolutely. I can tell you this, if Jeep bought my JK back tomorrow, I wouldn't turn around and give them the money back. So which manufacturer is smarter?

As to "rushing a new transmission to production", this problem has existed with this tranny and it's predecessors for years. Go to Allpar.com for a complete history. They didn't have to "rush" anything, they just had to take a slightly less cynical approach to doing business.

Finally, I have taken mine to multiple dealers. The first one had to be shown how to open the hood on a Wrangler, the second one told me it was normal and then the third one finally acknowledged that there was a problem. They replaced my TC but less than 1000 miles later the tranny is doing it again. The tech told me that this is a known problem (that they see frequently) but that there is nothing else they can do. When you call Chrysler, they tell you to talk to the dealer since, "they are best equipped to deal with your problem".

I've never experienced worse customer service than this on ANY product that I have purchased. The sad thing is, I love my Jeep. This is the most fun I've ever had in something other than an airplane or a motorcycle. Too bad the manufacturer is flat on their ass, and with the apologists in the Jeep community, not likely to improve anytime prior to their complete failure.

 

^^^ I'm with you on the Taco thing; my fiancee has a '98 Taco that I hate, and I have never liked Toyotas in general, but after hearing about that, my opinion of Toyota as a company jumped a few notches. Just praying that when I take it in, it fails. There were three other Tacos sitting there on the lot when I went in yesterday to test-drive a WRX. Trying to talk her into a Subi, and if they hand me a check when we get there, all the better!

On the other hand, Chrysler did NOT impress me when I told them that my JK had died in the middle of nowhere at 3am at less than 2000 miles and their response was, "Hunh. Sorry, take it to the dealer." The dealers swears there's nothing wrong.

My JK is the sixth Jeep product I've owned, from the AMC days on up. But when I buy another Jeep, it'll be another TJ or an XJ or a CJ. Chrysler would have to REALLY turn things around for me to ever consider buying a new product from them again.

 

Now I understand you skibum...... You must be disapointed alot in life.... I can't amagine ANYTHING could ever meet your expectations. My jeeps not perfect and niether is my 82 CJ7 I drove to work today. I don't expect it to be. I feel bad about some of the many problems you had but I now realze you probably made alot larger deal over them then most people would have.

I will not continue this. Good luck with your jeep or sell it I really don't care at this point. I realize you won't be happy unless you are complaining about something.

Don't even worry about replying to me here I won't be reading this thread anymore. I have unsubscribed......

 

One the contrary, my life's been pretty good all things considered. Tons of things meet my expectations............just not my Jeep. Did you even read what I said? Or are you just willing to tolerate whatever life throws at you without comment? Sheeple.............sheesh!

 

I've got 12,200 miles on mine with no problems so far. I've been towing a 5 by 8 landscaping trailer about once or twice a month for the past year too and haven't noticed any issues yet. Although I also get a little bit of load surge when I back it up my driveway....

I will probably install a cooler down the road though just to be safe...