Thngs you'll never do to your Jeep. The critic's thread.
JK Junkie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Bunnlevel, NC
If you are serious about protecting your family from a drunk driver, a Wrangler is a terrible choice of vehicle, as someone else pointed out in this thread in some misguided attempt to cast me as some kind of car safety nut. What these mods do is make it more likely you will kill people with your own vehicle without adding anything to make you more safe.
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2011
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From: Lewisburg, PA
I thought this was the "Things you'll never do to your Jeep. The critic's thread". If you don't want to read criticisms and opinions about modifications, then I suspect reading this thread is not the best idea. Sure, I agree. But my point here is the mods you do increase the probability that you will have an accident, to a degree that makes it beyond your control. So my analogy with firearms might be getting drunk and then carrying a firearm. Carrying a firearm by a responsible person is perfectly safe and awesome. But doing something to intentionally diminish your capacity to maintain control of that potentially dangerous thing is unsafe and irresponsible. To me, doesn't matter whether it's a car or a firearm. But in the case of firearms, we have a constitutional guarantee that our right will not be infringed, but you have no constitutional right to own a Jeep or any vehicle or to drive a car at all, and certainly no constitutional right to make deliberate modifications to a vehicle that reduce the margin of control you have to drive it safely. I'm not on any crusade. This thread is about opinions. I'm no more on a crusade than the guys who don't like chrome tube bumpers or stickers on Jeeps. But just like the dufuses here in TX who (legally!) open-carry AR15s into Starbucks just to stick it in the face of a private business tend to give all gun owners and gun rights advocates a bad name, Jeep owners who insist on making their vehicles less safe and then drive them on the road make all Jeep owners look bad, legal or not. Just makes us look like a bunch of self-centered jerks. Actually I think we are a bunch of self-centered jerks. And FWIW huge tires, a lift, 200-ft stopping distance from 60mph and 400lb worth of bumpers is not going to protect you or your family from a drunk driver. If you are serious about protecting your family from a drunk driver, a Wrangler is a terrible choice of vehicle, as someone else pointed out in this thread in some misguided attempt to cast me as some kind of car safety nut. What these mods do is make it more likely you will kill people with your own vehicle without adding anything to make you more safe.
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: Austin, TX
I am pretty sure I clearly made my point. I can't make you understand it.
When did I "state" that?
And when did I say that?
Actually I said modifications that reduce the ability of your Jeep to be driven safely on the road are irresponsible, immature, and selfish. Some responses in this forum confirm that those traits extend beyond just how some Jeep owners choose to modify their Jeeps.
Isn't this thread intended to talk about things YOU would never do to YOUR Jeep? You don't have to like what mods I want to do to my Jeep, and I think I've been pretty clear that there are a couple of mods I don't like when others do them to their Jeeps. So what? Maybe I should add "insecure" to the list of frailties suffered by jacked-up-Jeep owners.
You have just stated that you are not serious about protecting YOUR family
all-the-while telling us we are wrong for modifying our vehicles within the law.
Actually I said modifications that reduce the ability of your Jeep to be driven safely on the road are irresponsible, immature, and selfish. Some responses in this forum confirm that those traits extend beyond just how some Jeep owners choose to modify their Jeeps.
Isn't this thread intended to talk about things YOU would never do to YOUR Jeep? You don't have to like what mods I want to do to my Jeep, and I think I've been pretty clear that there are a couple of mods I don't like when others do them to their Jeeps. So what? Maybe I should add "insecure" to the list of frailties suffered by jacked-up-Jeep owners.
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JK Junkie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Bunnlevel, NC
I am pretty sure I clearly made my point. I can't make you understand it.
When did I "state" that?
And when did I say that?
Actually I said modifications that reduce the ability of your Jeep to be driven safely on the road are irresponsible, immature, and selfish. Some responses in this forum confirm that those traits extend beyond just how some Jeep owners choose to modify their Jeeps.
Isn't this thread intended to talk about things YOU would never do to YOUR Jeep? You don't have to like what mods I want to do to my Jeep, and I think I've been pretty clear that there are a couple of mods I don't like when others do them to their Jeeps. So what? Maybe I should add "insecure" to the list of frailties suffered by jacked-up-Jeep owners.
When did I "state" that?
And when did I say that?
Actually I said modifications that reduce the ability of your Jeep to be driven safely on the road are irresponsible, immature, and selfish. Some responses in this forum confirm that those traits extend beyond just how some Jeep owners choose to modify their Jeeps.
Isn't this thread intended to talk about things YOU would never do to YOUR Jeep? You don't have to like what mods I want to do to my Jeep, and I think I've been pretty clear that there are a couple of mods I don't like when others do them to their Jeeps. So what? Maybe I should add "insecure" to the list of frailties suffered by jacked-up-Jeep owners.
Nope.. not insecure at all... but I will point out when someone makes a statement that is contradictory to their actions. You, in a self-righteous tone, pointed out that adding big tires, bumpers, etc.. make you and others (including your family) less safe thanks to those that have made those modifications. All-the-while you drive a jeep that you stated in post #580 places your family at a higher risk. So YOU place your family in danger while pointing out how unsafe, irresponsible, immature, and selfish the rest of us are. Now, when determining chances of being killed or injured, you have to consider exposure. I'm betting you driving your family in that dangerous jeep is an order of magnitude higher exposure to the possibility of death or injury than the amount of exposure your family gets to someone else's modified jeep. So you tell use we are irresponsible, immature, and selfish... yet you place your family in danger just so you can drive your jeep.
JK Newbie
Joined: Jun 2014
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From: Wescosville, PA
I have a 2.5" lift with heavy steel bumpers and 35" tires.........in January 2014 and again in September 2015 I was stopped at red lights and was plowed into from the rear both times by drunk drivers.....my jeep didn't move much either time....lost a couple a tailgates from the tire bashing it in, but both times my family and I were kept safe. The first vehicle was an E350 van and the second time was an F250 pickup.......in both cases if I were in a prius, mini cooper or perhaps even a stock JK, the outcomes could have been severely different. I'll continue to drive my "unsafe" vehicle and keep my family safe, thank you very much. And in regards to stopping power on my jeep.......it usually isn't going very fast, so stopping it is usually not an issue. Another thing is most Jeepers seem to be good drivers......by good, I mean they are aware of their surroundings and typically aren't running a muck plowing into old ladies at the mall.......
JK Freak
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: sparks,nevada
It doesn't matter if I have second vehicle or not, I don't put anything on my Jeep that doesn't get me further down the trail. I don't understand what that has to do with having a second car ? BTW, my second car is also a Jeep ! LOL