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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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Most of us Jeep drivers personalize our vehicles because it's in our blood. This forum's great for information regarding any possible change you might want to make, or not make. I've never had a vehicle I could leave alone, but I also like to maintain a balance because my vehicle is a dd.

I get a feeling that some people hate the rake just because it comes from the factory that way and shows that there's no lift on the jeep. Big deal. Do what you want to your own Jeep and appreciate when others make informed decisions not to.

If I eventually need a lift I'll go that route. I'm also avoiding spacers etc. because so far I can deal with what I've got.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 09:55 AM
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"Before" I put the winch on the front of my 2dr with my OME HD lift, I actually felt on inclines my lifted JK 2dr was willing to unload the front springs too quick causing an endo feeling.
With the winch on now it feels great..!
And yes, it does have some rake for sure, but I can live with that versus the front springs wanting to unload way to soon before the winch install. Just my .02 for the shorter wheel base 2dr guys..

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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Leveling kits that lift the front only do allow you to run a little larger tires for cheap.
Most of the lifts offered level the JK and they are not advertised as leveling kit.
Go ahead and try and find a lift that says they retain the stock rake.
It's about looks not offroad performance.

I would prefer to have a little rake so when it's loaded down with camping gear it's not sagging.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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There is also another for so-called "hating" rake. One of the reasons rake is introduced in the first place is for handling, the others being aerodynamics and rear load capacity. Together with spring rates and sway bars it affects the understeer/oversteer characteristics of the JK.
The rake increases understeer.

So raising the front end by 1.25-1.5" higher will reduce the understeer.
Understeer is introduced because the handling is more intuitive than oversteer and manufacturers are trying to keep us safe of course.
Understeer tends to be more forgiving when traction is pushed to the limit, because the front just washes out instead of the rear swinging out.

I prefer close to neutral handling and eliminating the rake gets me a little closer to neutral handling, so had I not installed a lift kit, I would have installed at least a leveling kit.

And yes the look of the vehicle was also important, otherwise I would have at least considered an H3 whose Mickey Mouse 5 cylinder produces 50+ HP more
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by spinlock
There is also another for so-called "hating" rake. One of the reasons rake is introduced in the first place is for handling, the others being aerodynamics and rear load capacity. Together with spring rates and sway bars it affects the understeer/oversteer characteristics of the JK.
The rake increases understeer.

So raising the front end by 1.25-1.5" higher will reduce the understeer.
Understeer is introduced because the handling is more intuitive than oversteer and manufacturers are trying to keep us safe of course.
Understeer tends to be more forgiving when traction is pushed to the limit, because the front just washes out instead of the rear swinging out.

I prefer close to neutral handling and eliminating the rake gets me a little closer to neutral handling, so had I not installed a lift kit, I would have installed at least a leveling kit.

And yes the look of the vehicle was also important, otherwise I would have at least considered an H3 whose Mickey Mouse 5 cylinder produces 50+ HP more
You have your understeer/oversteer logic backwards.

Raising the rear end = more oversteer.

Raising the front end = more understeer.

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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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my rake is reversed....i hate it.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Pic of a usefull rake

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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mkjeep
I use mine for the yard

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does it smack you in the forehead when you step on it?
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmightyCrash
does it smack you in the forehead when you step on it?
No , but my ho does........
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mkjeep
No , but my ho does........



was waitin for it.
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