Does made in the USA matter?
I know you can not have everything built in the US, its just not possible, But I do appreciate a company that builds and buys steel in the in the US. They just dont send it to china to make the profit margins higher
to answer Dyntracs question, I'll pay more to know I'm buying US made products.
to answer Dyntracs question, I'll pay more to know I'm buying US made products.
Why do you find it funny? Consider reasons why someone might have purchased Chinese made items. Your desire to purchase made in the USA products doesn't preclude you from ever buying anything made in China. Here are a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head.
- The product had no known US equivalent.
- The product had no comparable US made product that was commensurate in price. Obviously, we expect to pay more for US made products, but sometimes the difference is in a different league.
- The origin of the product was not obvious and wasn't advertised.
I've NOT made purchases of products, simply because they were made in China.
I've made unplanned and unintended purchases of products, for no other reason than being surprised and impressed they were made in the USA.
The ones that REALLY frost my ass, though, are the big names that built a reputation for quality and craftsmanship, then moved manufacturing to China and still demanded the same exorbitant prices. When a product is made the in the same place as a no-name, yet carries a price 2x, 5x, or even 10x as the no-name, it gets ZERO of my dollars.
I chuckle when I see people snottily strutting around in clothes with the big-buck names boldly emblazoned on them, yet when I examine those same articles on a rack.....YUP, made in China, SUCKER!
Human-made matters to me, I don't care which imaginary border line the product was made within.
I understand we're taught to be tribalistic and all but it's pretty ridiculous when you think about it. It all comes from the same earth man
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I understand we're taught to be tribalistic and all but it's pretty ridiculous when you think about it. It all comes from the same earth man
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It depends upon how you want to market yourself. I have no problem buying Chinese made stuff for cheap. I know what I'm getting and I know I'm getting it cheap. (e.g. see my rear bumper and winch).
But what really frosts me, and I will absolutely not support is a company who pretends to be high end / high quality, but when you receive their product it says "made in china." For example, I just paid alot of money for my ARB lockers. If they showed up with a made in China sticker, I'd be PISSED.
I guess my point is that if you value your reputation for high end "exclusive" quality. Stay made in the US.
If you want to market yourself as just another company that makes cool offroad stuff, then go Chinese / India etc.
But what really frosts me, and I will absolutely not support is a company who pretends to be high end / high quality, but when you receive their product it says "made in china." For example, I just paid alot of money for my ARB lockers. If they showed up with a made in China sticker, I'd be PISSED.
I guess my point is that if you value your reputation for high end "exclusive" quality. Stay made in the US.
If you want to market yourself as just another company that makes cool offroad stuff, then go Chinese / India etc.
ARB AIR LOCKER
P-052/2009
SEATTLE
C/NO.8
MADE IN JAPAN
Apparently a few of ARB's products are manufactured in Thailand as well. So all of this nonsense about products possibly being of lesser quality because they arent made at home in the U.S, Canada, North America etc is just ridiculous. Yes there are some things that come from China, Japan, Never Never Land etc that are of lesser quality than similar products made in the U.S but then again there are products that come from these countries that are of better quality than the ones made in the U.S. For me it makes no difference where something is manufactured, all that matters to me is that its made from quality materials.
Last edited by Adam3612; Apr 9, 2010 at 04:29 PM.
Where should I have it delivered?
Ask about tools and most people say harbor freight works great at 1/10th the cost. Is everyone cool with HF? I'm confused. Here's an industry that has alot of good American alternatives, at alot of price points from good, like craftsman, klien, otc, etc, to the best of the best (at nearly unreal prices), yet alot of people on this forum insist HF is good enough (whatever that means).
Now I just spent $44 bucks at tools r us on one milwaukee 1" drill bit (made in USA of course), and I could have gotten a whole, 8 pc set, 7/16 - 1" silver and demming drill bit set at HF for $37. The funny thing is, is HF is literally almost a stones throw from t-r-u. Don't get me wrong, I have some HF stuff in my tool chest, so I'm not against chinese products, I guess I'm against cheap, low quality shit, and not everything at HF is low quality, just most of it. The hard part is knowing what is and isn't. I'm willing to pay more for American made products, I do regularly, today being one of them. But there must be real value when the cost is higher.
In the case of this drill bit, the milaukee looks almost like a work of art and proudly wears the made in USA label. The HF alternative looks downright pathetic in comparison. A cheap immitation that looks like it was made by people making 15 cents an hour, crude, and imprecise. But yesterday, I bought some hiking shoes at REI for the spousal unit. They were not cheap, nor were they made in the USA. You guessed it, China. Funny thing is, is that they look fantastic. They better, they were $125.
Now if company F21 (fictional), entered the axle market with chinese D60s that looked awesome. Had chromoly axles, bolted right into a JK, had ARB lockers, big tubes and a strong marketing claim . . . and costed $3000, now then, we might have a serious discussion.
Now I just spent $44 bucks at tools r us on one milwaukee 1" drill bit (made in USA of course), and I could have gotten a whole, 8 pc set, 7/16 - 1" silver and demming drill bit set at HF for $37. The funny thing is, is HF is literally almost a stones throw from t-r-u. Don't get me wrong, I have some HF stuff in my tool chest, so I'm not against chinese products, I guess I'm against cheap, low quality shit, and not everything at HF is low quality, just most of it. The hard part is knowing what is and isn't. I'm willing to pay more for American made products, I do regularly, today being one of them. But there must be real value when the cost is higher.
In the case of this drill bit, the milaukee looks almost like a work of art and proudly wears the made in USA label. The HF alternative looks downright pathetic in comparison. A cheap immitation that looks like it was made by people making 15 cents an hour, crude, and imprecise. But yesterday, I bought some hiking shoes at REI for the spousal unit. They were not cheap, nor were they made in the USA. You guessed it, China. Funny thing is, is that they look fantastic. They better, they were $125.
Now if company F21 (fictional), entered the axle market with chinese D60s that looked awesome. Had chromoly axles, bolted right into a JK, had ARB lockers, big tubes and a strong marketing claim . . . and costed $3000, now then, we might have a serious discussion.
I prefer to buy in US made stuff, or at least somewhere in North America now, like as mentioned before, you pay for what you get. I much rather pay more money now for something that will last, than pay for some piece of crap that ends up wasting my money.
600 sq foot dormitories housing a 8 or more employees earning $300 a month for their 80+ hour, 7 day work weeks.
Violations of international child labor agreements and conditions that in this country would put factory owners in jail.
It's not the chines people who are at fault, it's their government and the foreign companies that would tolerate the working conditions that wouldn't be accepted in their home countries.
I vote for American made though the prices may be higher. If you are building components that are bought once and never replaced why risk going cheap. Cheaper products may work, but they could cost you your reputation as a manufacturer and vendor.
I am not saying that the overseas products are of poor quality, but the orginal question kind of implied a poorer quality product.
I am in the heavy construction industry and my business deals with both overseas manufactuered components and machines as well as American components and machines. My experiance favors the American built products. Quality is not the issue. I have had equal disappointment with American quality as with foreign quality. However, response to quality issues, re-design and speed of all responses I will go with American made products hands down.
I am not saying that the overseas products are of poor quality, but the orginal question kind of implied a poorer quality product.
I am in the heavy construction industry and my business deals with both overseas manufactuered components and machines as well as American components and machines. My experiance favors the American built products. Quality is not the issue. I have had equal disappointment with American quality as with foreign quality. However, response to quality issues, re-design and speed of all responses I will go with American made products hands down.


