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JK Super Freak
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Oxnard, CA
Would you forgo your mods to keep your wallet greener?
Even though I posted this as a joke, isn't that what reducing the amount of gas you use is really about? Do you really believe humankind is going to see a more eco-friendly fuel until the oil is gone? Are you really making the world a better place by getting a couple of miles per gallon more by foregoing the mods?
Even though I posted this as a joke, isn't that what reducing the amount of gas you use is really about? Do you really believe humankind is going to see a more eco-friendly fuel until the oil is gone? Are you really making the world a better place by getting a couple of miles per gallon more by foregoing the mods?
To further fuel the debate most all of the so-called "green" people are hypocrites about CO2. Did you ever see them stop drinking sparkling wines, carbonated beverages, beer, etc. etc. That and those that are vegans produce percentage wise as much gas as cows, etc.
Until we get mini sized nuclear reactors to produce enough electricity to power our vehicles I say lets start using all that oil we've been hoarding for the last 50 years.
JK Super Freak
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Oxnard, CA
It's a known scientific fact that an increase in carbon dioxide (amongst other things) in the atmosphere increases average global temperatures. (There are a seemingly infinite number of resources to find this out, I'm not even going to try to validate elementary school science class topics.)
It's a known scientific fact that burning coal and other fossil fuels release carbon dioxide (amongst other things).
It's a known scientific fact that cutting down millions of acres of trees a year reduces the planets' ability to cycle carbon out of the atmosphere and trap it into land-based reservoirs.
It is also a known scientific fact that at previous times in the earth's history, there were concomitantly: elevated levels of carbon in the atmosphere and elevated temperatures.
What are oil and coal made of primarily?
How did oil and coal come to be made?
What is the result of burning oil and coal?
I can't prove, without a shadow of a doubt that shooting a person in the knee will lead to subsequent death, I can, however, hypothesis with a good foundation that it will cause serious discomfort. Hindsight is always 20/20 - but it's usually too late for much of anything.
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It's a known scientific fact that burning coal and other fossil fuels release carbon dioxide (amongst other things).
It's a known scientific fact that cutting down millions of acres of trees a year reduces the planets' ability to cycle carbon out of the atmosphere and trap it into land-based reservoirs.
It is also a known scientific fact that at previous times in the earth's history, there were concomitantly: elevated levels of carbon in the atmosphere and elevated temperatures.
What are oil and coal made of primarily?
How did oil and coal come to be made?
What is the result of burning oil and coal?
I can't prove, without a shadow of a doubt that shooting a person in the knee will lead to subsequent death, I can, however, hypothesis with a good foundation that it will cause serious discomfort. Hindsight is always 20/20 - but it's usually too late for much of anything.
!c
Rather than address all your little issues I'll say this. In around 1200AD when there was a "global warming" cycle the temp rose 3deg C before we went back into the mini ice age/
Where were all the SUV's, gas guzzlers, fossil fuels and so on? Hmmmm?
And why did the earth go into a mini ice age where millions died due to lack of food and the extreme cold?
JK Super Freak
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Oxnard, CA
THAT STATEMENT IS FLAWED!!!!!
Yes, millions of acres/hectares of mature/ over-mature forest stands are harvested.
HOWEVER, with these mature/over-mature stands (OLD GROWTH) actually ADD to the CO2 footprint as they released more CO2 then O2 into the atmosphere. The reason is the mature/over mature tree's growth is declining from age, health factors (insects & Disease) and other forest disturbances.
With the removal of these mature/over mature forest stands from harvesting . Forest Companies REPLANT/REFOREST the sites with new tree seedlings to recommend stocking standards, species type within the correct Biogeoclimatic zones. With harvesting and REFORESTATION we are actually helping reduce the CO2 footprint as these seedling are young, vibrant and healthy and replace the decaying and dying mature forest. With the younger & healthy reforested stands they will contribute and reduce the CO2 footprint throught the process of photosynthesis more readily than a mature and over-mature forests.
Yes, millions of acres/hectares of mature/ over-mature forest stands are harvested.
HOWEVER, with these mature/over-mature stands (OLD GROWTH) actually ADD to the CO2 footprint as they released more CO2 then O2 into the atmosphere. The reason is the mature/over mature tree's growth is declining from age, health factors (insects & Disease) and other forest disturbances.
With the removal of these mature/over mature forest stands from harvesting . Forest Companies REPLANT/REFOREST the sites with new tree seedlings to recommend stocking standards, species type within the correct Biogeoclimatic zones. With harvesting and REFORESTATION we are actually helping reduce the CO2 footprint as these seedling are young, vibrant and healthy and replace the decaying and dying mature forest. With the younger & healthy reforested stands they will contribute and reduce the CO2 footprint throught the process of photosynthesis more readily than a mature and over-mature forests.
LOL, people forget, or were never taught with all the new age thinking that vegatation is a Photosynthesis thing. A two way street.
Last edited by CIJeep; Mar 20, 2008 at 07:57 PM.
JK Newbie
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: Essex, England
Global Warming and the Carbon issue has become a multi trillion dollar industry which Gore and his friends will continue to perpetuate until they are sent to jail for the biggest scam in hisory. The truth is that global temperature is related to activity on the surface of the sun. Unfortunately there is no money to be made in telling us that we are at the mercy of the forces of nature. These people are getting rich by playing on peoples fears the masses and need to be stopped.
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Mint Hill, NC
if i wanted to be fuel efficient, i would have bought a prius, not a box with big tires.
JK Freak
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Mint Hill, NC
fyi...
over 99% of Meteorologist dont believe in global warming, although 90% of celebrities do. who do you believe?
the earth has warmed less than 1 degree since 1900.
it is rather egocentric to believe that YOU have the ability to change the earths atmosphere.
if anything the change in climate is due the the sun getting hotter (you do have to take it into account, since its mass makes up over 99.8% of the solar system) i would think it would be more to blame than me driving a jeep that gets half the gas mileage of a prius (that by the way has more embodied energy than a jeep)
over 99% of Meteorologist dont believe in global warming, although 90% of celebrities do. who do you believe?
the earth has warmed less than 1 degree since 1900.
it is rather egocentric to believe that YOU have the ability to change the earths atmosphere.
if anything the change in climate is due the the sun getting hotter (you do have to take it into account, since its mass makes up over 99.8% of the solar system) i would think it would be more to blame than me driving a jeep that gets half the gas mileage of a prius (that by the way has more embodied energy than a jeep)
JK Junkie
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2,262
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From: Des Moines, Iowa
I am all for modifiations, and supporting the economy. Also in the past the Wrangler was the third most enviromentally friendly vehicle mainly due to the production being very low on the polution, along with the disposal. It was way better than the Toyota Prius, so I would assume that the JK is still a very enviromentally friendly vehicle.