It's a good thing Kjeeper is here for you, so he could point out one item for you then huh? However, is that really the reason you considered them to be a better option? He also pointed out ride quality was essentially the same as well. I bet you learned something there that you didn't realize prior huh?

Keep up your laughing, and acting like a clown with your responses. We both know you can't answer the question, otherwise you would have jumped on the opportunity the 1st time I asked. I like clowns....they make me laugh also and you seem to have the ass clown act down pat.

You getting mad bro??

 

The synergy I linked is $2480 with no shocks. He was looking at the icon for over $2700 so as far as budget it is close to what he expected to spend.

 

I'm not so sure what you hate so much about Mopar but let's get the facts straight if you want to compare it to the JKS lift.

The Mopar comes with Fox PERFORMANCE series dual reservoir shocks which have been tuned by FOX for this lift, the JKS comes with Fox Adventure series off the shelf aftermarket shocks. Go check out the price difference between the Performance series vs the adventure series. Apparently alls you really care about is that it has the FOX name printed on them. The Performance series cost twice as much as the Adventure series Fox shocks.

Performance Series
https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/s...ear-4-6in-lift

Adventure Series
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16...Nh1hoCJjfw_wcB

The Mopar kit additionally has the FOX performance series steering stabilizer which the OP was originally interested in purchasing. The JKS comes with none.

The Mopar kit comes with a high steer kit drag link flip kit, something you said multiple times now that it doesn't. The same as the JKS kit.

The Mopar Kit comes with replacement extended brake hoses for all four corners, the JKS comes with inadequate for a 3.5" lift brake line relocation brackets.

The Mopar kit comes with a Dana drive shaft with Spicer joints. The JKS comes with none.

The Mopar kit comes with 4 replacement sway bar links, the JKS comes with the Front JKS quick discos and NOTHING for the rears.

The Mopar kit can be found all over the web for $1850 and Q-Tec price matches.

Yes, the JKS kit comes with a front adjustable Track bar, which requires an additional front track bar bracket to be welded in place to mount it with that lift. 'Welding required for front track bar mount gusset installation"

Both come with 4 control arms with "OE style" bushings.

Both come with rear track bar relocation brackets.

The Mopar kit provides a Warranty that if the lift is determined to cause damage to your OE parts, then the OE parts will be covered by the lift's warranty. The JKS kit takes no liability if damage is caused to the OE parts due to their lift.

This silly game you want to play is pretty dumb but since I've seen the nonsense you've been spewing it's understandable why it continues to spew because that's exactly what it is "nonsense".

 

Problem is for the 2 door, mopar only makes a 2" Lift. The 4" is only for the 4 door. My original plan when I bought the Jeep was the Mopar lift, actually had the dealership ordering it but then I figured that out.

 

Typically, the only thing different between a 2 door and 4 door version of lifts are the springs. On the Mopar 2in 2dr vs 4dr versions, the rear springs are different. Everything else is the same. The springs will typically be a little stiffer on the 4 door version compared to a 2 door version to accommodate the extra weight of the 4 door. You would likely get a little more height and a slightly stiffer ride from the rear if putting a 4 door lift on a 2 door. Many have put 4 door springs on a 2 door to get that little extra height and stiffness.

Stiffer ride than the other lifts mentioned out there? Doubtful, subjectable and debatable definitely, just stiffer to when reference if they provided a 2 door specific version of this lift.

Personally, if you were originally interested in the Mopar 4in lift I wouldn't let the differences between a 4 door vs 2 door version stop me.

Add a front adjust track bar ($200-$300) to the lift, some front geo correction brackets ($100-$150) and then ask Q-Tec to do a price match and you have a complete lift which addresses all major concerns and is within your original budget.

Total Price: $1900+$300+$150= $2350

(8) Replacement Adjustable control arms all the way around as Dirtman suggested are nice but also tend to be very expensive and you also need to have someone that knows what they're doing to dial in the proper lengths to adjust them for you.

Here's some reference links you can use for price matching.

Mopar P/N: 77072353AB
http://www.moparpartsdiscounted.com/.../77072353.html

http://www.factorymoparparts.net/oe-mopar/77072353ab

Also, it comes with the nice Jeep logo crate.

 

Shocks that are "tuned" for a kit is just marketing and really not a benefit. This is a trend that is going around to make you think you are getting something special. The OP is already pushing height wth 35's on a 2 door not sure why he would need more height and a stiffer ride running 4 door coils. 4" of lift typically means running longer travel shocks, longer travel shocks typically = more articulation and axle shift which typically means you need more misalignment from the control arm joints. The Mopar kit uses factory style joints that is going to put more stress on the factory joints. I would not worry about the frame side but I may have some concerns about he axle side over time if you are running it hard. The control arms on the Mopar kit are also rather light weight in construction using a small diameter tube. Bigger tubes typically = more strength. Again low strength and very little misalignment of the arms can also cause the arms to bend if you are pushing the jeep.

The drag link flip re uses half of the factory link which is known to be weak and prone to bending. The Mopar kit uses fixed sway bar links instead of adjustable so you can fine tune your position of the sway bar. It also has fixed bump stop extensions so you are likely not going to maximize your articulation by using them. Cam bolts for caster corrections is a poor solution. No limiting straps like the old Mopar kit offered to protect those fancy shocks.

This kit is actually a pretty bad downgrade from the earlier Mopar 4" kit which was one of the most complete kits on the market. Its nice that it comes with the driveshaft, fancy fox shocks (not needed and is just for the bling factor), and addresses the need for high steer and the rear roll center. After that leaves much to be desired unless you are just installing the kit on a daily driver that does not see anymore then some dirt roads once in a while.

OP I have never seen you mention that cost was a factor or what you are planning on doing with your jeep which would have an affect on what kind of kit you should be looking at.

 

Yeah, Quadratec needs to correct their website then....

The link you posted ---> Synergy Manufacturing 4" Stage 3 Suspension for 07-17 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK | Quadratec

.....is Synergy's #: 8023-30 which is a 3" lift only. Not 4" which Quadratec has it incorrectly listed as.


The real Synergy 4" is this one @ $3120 with no shocks ---> Synergy Manufacturing 8023-40 4" Synergy Stage 3 Suspension System for 07-17 Jeep® Wrangler JK 2 Door | Quadratec

...add another $500 for the Fox entry level shocks and now it's $3620




Maybe he should have just gotten the ICON. Since there are only 1 (maybe 2) people I know of running ICON (however they are running their coilovers), there won't be anyone here to talk smack about their conventional spring/strut setup lol



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Bingo. Aside from what I and Biginboca already mentioned earlier, Dirty's post covers the rest on why that Mopar kit reaks worse than fumunda cheese.

Like I said roller, try not to get a brain aneurysm trying to analyze all of this lol...

G'day mate lol


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That's kind of ironic, because the Mopar kit is really not marketed very well in regards to having tuned shocks. However, for those of us who have actually talked to Fox to determine if we could use their off the shelf shocks with the mopar kits as replacements, this is what Fox had to say.


I think I will go in the direction of agreeing to disagree with you on this one Dirtman. I know you know your stuff, but how many shocks/spring combos have you designed and engineered to qualify as an expert in that area? Sorry....going with the guys at Fox on this one. They have no reason to provide a different shock to Mopar if there wasn't any changes to improve the ride quality and the information I just posted isn't "marketing" information that's been marketed. When I start seeing shocks with Dirtman stamped on the side of them, included as a matched set with spring suspension lift then maybe I'll go buy me a set and try them out. Nothing personal, just going with the information from a leading shock company who is known for designing shocks as part of a tuned suspension on applications for the offroad rally race circuits, Nascar, etc. Unless you're going to start telling the guys at Nascar there's no such thing as a tuned suspension, it's just marketing gimmicks and there's no benefit as well?

I'm also glad everyone is spending their time focusing on trying to pick the Mopar lift apart. Would we like to move to the other lifts and do the same as well, or is it just Mopar that interests everyone? I haven't seen a perfect lift or a perfect vendor, so it's not hard to do if you want to really focus on trying to pick apart one particular vendor with all the items you personally seem to have a problem with, which have no substantial real world data supporting it and is just all based on your personal opinion/observation.

I also said the Mopar kit was one of the more complete kits available and provided the additional items that would be needed, we can add some limiting straps in as well. I never said it was the "perfect" lift. You want to go into all the additional items on the JKS kit that are needed and see where that price tag goes? We can do the same with the Synergy stuff as well and go into all their joint related problems and rebuild/maintenance that may be needed. Gonna need some straps there as well. This will be fun.

 

Adams driveshafts = Lifetime Warranty on the Welds and Tubing if they break due to torque. All other Components have a One Year Warranty against any defects.

JKS = Up to 5 year / 100k limited lifetime warranty.






OP (if going this route) will be installing on a brand new 2017.


Mopar warranty???? 1 year? If that?


I win. Next!



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