Yes, no 87 Octane in either the quick or advanced (besides the one for using 87 if your vehicle came as a 91 Octane only which is useless for our 3.8's). So i called 3 days last week trying to figure out what is missing from mine and why, all 3 days he was going to call me right back, or by the end of the day. He never called. I'm 2 weeks into figure this out now with no real help from Superchips. He again told me they DO have shift firmness and shift points but wasn't sure why mine doesn't. I think I am now convinced he just doesn't know and that Engineering (who he continues to talk to) doesn't understand his questions as they said I should have it as well. Frustrating...

So for now I run the economy setting with no change in the gas mileage, or power, or shift feel. At least I got one thing out of it: the ability to correct the speedo with the 35's. Better than not making that change I suppose!

 

Why don't you just try the one that says "87 Octane" and let us know if you feel a difference? I would wager that you do, because I sure did.

I think you are getting too caught up in what the manual says. Just give it a try!

--Mike

 

I did that one, then the 91, and then went back with Economy to really get a seat of the pants feel. I didn't notice much of a difference between the three which is why I'm on Economy now. I had hoped to gain maybe 2mpg average over what it was pre-Flashpaq.

I'm sure overall they're all better than stock. I was just hoping to gain the ability to change the shift points, etc.

 

Some how i feel the same way. The more i drive the more i think there is no or very little change to the power settings. I run on the 87 tune and feel very little difference. I did adjust the speedo.

 

Yeah.. I have been reading what was posted. It looks like everyone is getting a lot of different things with their Flashpaq. On the Flashpaq forum, "Ron@Superchips" said that the JK shift points weren't adjustable by the end user, and that this was an optimized program.

Whatever that means.

I am concerned about what the manual says. I didn't buy it to just increase performance. I want to get rid of that "looking for the right gear" feeling whenever the transmission is trying to shift down.

The TPMS setting? He said it hasn't been released yet. Yes, I want to be able to adjust this seeing as I tend to airdown my tires whenever I'm crawling.

Picky? No. I just want what I paid for. OTherwise I could've gotten the hypertech for half the amount.

Tommorow, I'm going to call and see what I can get out of their customer service, they are already closed today.

 

I think you need to take the appropriate action if you're not satisfied.

If you can't wait for the TPMS control, buy a ProCal.

If you aren't happy with the tuned shift points and firmness buy a Hypertech. There seems to be a lot of used ones for sale on the cheap. Special note on the Hypertech shift points also, they are tuned, not adjustable.

Lastly, the feature sets vary by model and just because it exists on your Flaspaq, doesn't mean it works with your vehicle.

 

I agree with what the other guy posted (and to some extent what you said here). I had the Hypertech and then read about all the features the Superchips had over the Hypertech. There were quotes about "no comparison" and "way more power with the Superchips" and "once you try the difference, you'll see". Well, I did. I used the Hypertech for a bit and then returned it and ordered the Superchips. Guess what, and as I stated before I bought either one, there is no noticeable difference whatsoever!

So my initial thoughts still stand. Buy either one if you want the few things that they do. They both do the same thing. And they at least corrected my speedo for $350. I've also owned enough cars to know that a 1hp difference, heck, even 10hp isn't noticeable. The claims were so exagerated I wonder how many out there work for Superchips.

Here are just a few quotes from my initial thread questioning the best way to correct the speedo. Nothing against those that quoted, but these are why I decided to make the switch against my better knowledge of "how different could they really be": https://www.jk-forum.com/forums/show...t=89799&page=4


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Originally Posted by rickc309
The biggest plus of a tuner is being able to change your shift points. With 35's your JK will feel very doggy. You really notice it more if you run your tuner for a while and then go back to stock. My JK lugged as I merged onto the interstate, as I was rounding the on ramps it just felt as I have the skinny mashed. With the tuner, I have a Hypertech, Just the slightest lug and it downshifts like it should. Have the speedo correct is great but having the JK responsive is even better.

Posted by AK4Dave
X2......have had the Superchips tune for awhile now. had a problem with the JK and had to take it to the dealership. Tuned back to stock.........WHAT A DOG...!!! I couldn't believe the difference... If you can afford the extra........go for it, as it's worth all the other options you get.


Ha! I think that returning to stock is always a bigger indicator of performance than actually trying to figure out how much you gained. My wife can hardly if ever tell me when a change has been made, but when I return things to stock she knows right away.

Posted by JPop
The worst for me was when I had to take my truck in, returned to stock and then messed up the download for an upgrade. Drove around for a week on stock before I had an opportunity to do the download over again and it wasn't even the same truck. Which reminds me I need to see if they're done with the 93 Octane for the Dodge Ram.

Try both of them, prepare to be shocked and ask someone to have their hand on the kill switch. I had both programmers at the same time when the SC came out, no question about which one I was going to keep. Went as far as warning potential buyers of my used one as to what brand "H" could and couldn't do. Sold it on the cheap and here's what the guy that bought it had to say after he abandoned it as well.

I think you need to ask those two shops how much seat time they have had driving the same JK with each of these programmers. Myself I had over 40,000 miles with my former programmer and probably around another 4,000 with the Superchips. Myself I could care less about horsepower numbers as what I really want is low end torque. That's what makes my driving experience better and that's why I only needed to drive about 400 feet before knowing I would be sticking with the Superchips while I had both in my possession.

 

I guess your Jeep just sucks then or you just fail to allow yourself to realize a positive change. I was very sceptical too, because I've had poor luck with some programmers in the past, but its a noticeable difference even in the 87 octane tune.

You know its a nice increase when you didn't tell someone that you'd done anything to your Jeep and they comment that your Jeep feels much faster. Its happened to me twice now. In normal driving too, not trying to show off or something.

 

I probably wouldn't notice a 10hp gain in my '67 big block Chevelle, be hard pressed to notice it in my 3 ton Hemi Dodge Ram but in my JK that produces less than 200hp at the rear wheels I would definitely notice a difference. Also, in any daily driven vehicle you are more apt to notice differences in torque than hp and that's where I feel the difference in my JK.

In my initial tests I dropped 7/10ths off of my 0-60 speed. Not the way I normally drive, it's not a race car but that was what people were clamoring for short of me looking like an idiot rolling my barn on wheels 6 cylinder vehicle to the dyno shop. The results (9.84 to 9.14 seconds) calculated out to a 10% increase in power. As I remember, SC at one point touted 20hp and 24 ft lbs of torque gains. That is nearly perfectly aligned with what my experience was and the stock flywheel hp is 205 and 240 ft lbs tq.

So I am not really able to manage your expectations and your experiences are definitely in the very slim minority. If you were expecting hemi or supercharger performance no doubt you will walk away disappointed. I too have my share of disappointments with my Flashpaq, but none of it has to do with the level of performance I received with the canned tunes.

I also see from your signature that you are selling your JK. Looking down the list of what's there, I would have recommended changing gears far in advance of buying a Superchip programmer. What you needed first and foremost was a way to transfer power to the ground with an automatic transmission and your sitting about 20% shy of where you need to be. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts on that subject and the consensus would have put you in gears well before messing around with a programmer.

Anyway, best of luck selling your JK and hopefully you'll find a vehicle and a collection of parts that will make you happy.

Oh and I don't work for Superchips, just a mostly happy customer with enough patience to wait on the rest of the feature set.

 

Finally had the opportunity to do some fuel mileage testing with the Flashpaq. Lots of all highway miles full tankful tests. With each tank I managed to get more than 300 miles out of them. The first 3 were using the Mileage XS tune which on my Dodge Ram doesn't do quite so well. All mileage numbers are calculated by hand, or should I say by the calculator on my iphone and not the on board computer mileage.

With the 3 tankfuls with the Mileage XS setting I managed 20.3mpg for the first, 21.4 for the second and 21.6 for the third. This started with a fresh switch away from the tow setting. Pretty good mileage for rolling on 35s and through the hills of Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Virginia. Speeds were mostly 65-75mph and no major congestion. The one caveat was having to downshift a fair amount into 5th on the hills and yes I know I'm under-geared running 3.73s.

On the return trip I fueled up with 93 Octane and used the 93 setting. Pretty much the same set of roads going the opposite direction but this time facing a fair amount of additional traffic and congestion. The first tank through was 21.4mpg and the second was 21.7. Best of all my downshifting into 5th was only 20% of what it was using the Mileage XS.

In all not the best mileage I ever had, but given top off the whole way, more hills than I normally deal with, and 500+ lbs of additional gear I'm pretty happy.