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What would you like in a snorkel design?

Old Dec 29, 2011 | 07:17 PM
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Subscribed and waiting for one to install on the wife's JKU.

Any chance the curve of the outer pieces match those of a YJ so I can order two when they're available?
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Old Jan 3, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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Wow I've been following this thread for over a year now..... Yes I would love to say "What's taking so long!!!!" but I want the best snorkel on the market, and the best looking as far as I'm concerned. I do have one suggestion... Please give us the Dyno Sheet from the runs you do with it on and off and if your dyno guys can do it from 1000-1500 to redline. I'm tired of dyno sheets I see start at 2500-3000 rpm. My $#@! transmission shifts at that rpm what the %*#@ am I going to do with 10 hp at 4500 rpm if i never use it???? Good or bad PLEASE POST A COMPLETE DYNO SHEET 1000-5000 RPM!!!!!!!
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RockRash34
Wow I've been following this thread for over a year now..... Yes I would love to say "What's taking so long!!!!" but I want the best snorkel on the market, and the best looking as far as I'm concerned. I do have one suggestion... Please give us the Dyno Sheet from the runs you do with it on and off and if your dyno guys can do it from 1000-1500 to redline. I'm tired of dyno sheets I see start at 2500-3000 rpm. My $#@! transmission shifts at that rpm what the %*#@ am I going to do with 10 hp at 4500 rpm if i never use it???? Good or bad PLEASE POST A COMPLETE DYNO SHEET 1000-5000 RPM!!!!!!!
Well your timing is good... We will be doing DYNO runs this week. Hope to have the data to you guys by the end of the week. We have done final (conditional) approvals for about 75% of the kit. Still have a few final (quality - appearance) issues to finalize for the other 25% and hope to have final approvals for production very, very soon. To give you guys an idea of how things can change and delay things we just had to do a final last minute revision to the shape of the low mount intake. This has everything to do with function over form. We pushed hard all the way to the end to have the low intake designed to allow the windshield to be dropped. Well it looks like that wish list item had to be removed. We found that we were at the very lower limits of air flow through the low intake and we just did not feel comfortable with the small amount of wiggle room it allowed. Attached is the reworked intake. It is higher but has twice the air flow than the original design.

Now I have not gone out and removed the windshield frame bolts and dropped the glass yet. Its close but I just have a feeling the curve of the windshield will not be enough to allow it to sit flat on the hood bumpers and clear the new design. We have also included images showing the cowl remounting bracket and how the cowl can be put back to stock if needed..

As for the dyno test: 2011 JK Unlimited (3.8L) 10,000 miles
Stock engine and headers
Stock exhaust
5.13:1 gear ratio
35" M/T MTA all terrain tires (Dyno friendly)

The test will be a base line test for this vehicle and will include the following runs.

(1) stock intake with factory air filter - baseline.
(2) stock intake with Rugged Ridge drop in high flow air filter element
(3) Low mount snorkel intake system with Rugged Ridge air filter
(4) High mount snorkel intake system with Rugged Ridge air filter

As I have stated many, many times... This is a snorkel and not a CAI system. If we are just below stock, or at stock (baseline) performance levels than I think we have done a good job. Snorkels by design are always going to have an effect on performance... (fact). I wish it was not true but better to set the facts straight now rather than try to explain it later.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge

Well your timing is good... We will be doing DYNO runs this week. Hope to have the data to you guys by the end of the week. We have done final (conditional) approvals for about 75% of the kit. Still have a few final (quality - appearance) issues to finalize for the other 25% and hope to have final approvals for production very, very soon. To give you guys an idea of how things can change and delay things we just had to do a final last minute revision to the shape of the low mount intake. This has everything to do with function over form. We pushed hard all the way to the end to have the low intake designed to allow the windshield to be dropped. Well it looks like that wish list item had to be removed. We found that we were at the very lower limits of air flow through the low intake and we just did not feel comfortable with the small amount of wiggle room it allowed. Attached is the reworked intake. It is higher but has twice the air flow than the original design.

Now I have not gone out and removed the windshield frame bolts and dropped the glass yet. Its close but I just have a feeling the curve of the windshield will not be enough to allow it to sit flat on the hood bumpers and clear the new design. We have also included images showing the cowl remounting bracket and how the cowl can be put back to stock if needed..

As for the dyno test: 2011 JK Unlimited (3.8L) 10,000 miles
Stock engine and headers
Stock exhaust
5.13:1 gear ratio
35" M/T MTA all terrain tires (Dyno friendly)

The test will be a base line test for this vehicle and will include the following runs.

(1) stock intake with factory air filter - baseline.
(2) stock intake with Rugged Ridge drop in high flow air filter element
(3) Low mount snorkel intake system with Rugged Ridge air filter
(4) High mount snorkel intake system with Rugged Ridge air filter

As I have stated many, many times... This is a snorkel and not a CAI system. If we are just below stock, or at stock (baseline) performance levels than I think we have done a good job. Snorkels by design are always going to have an effect on performance... (fact). I wish it was not true but better to set the facts straight now rather than try to explain it later.
Man i like this sh*t! Looks great! Keep it up
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 10:55 AM
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subscribed ..........
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Who actually drops their windshield anyway. I did it once on my 94, just to see what it was like. Never done it again.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by knight1000
Who actually drops their windshield anyway. I did it once on my 94, just to see what it was like. Never done it again.
I'm an old school Jeep guy.... It's just something you should be able to do!
It will be a sad day when this feature is deleted from the Jeep lineup.

Dropped the windshield every chance I got in my last CJ7... The new Rubicon does make it a pain the rear, I'll give you that.

All the best wheeling I have done over the years has been with no top, doors off and windshield down... Full cage in place!
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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I really like the new design of the low intake. Allot more aggressive. If you are +/- 5whp compared to stock then that is a success when you consider the extra piping and bends. After this one is complete (not giving any timeframe), about how long after that do you think the 2011 adaptation will take?

Also just throwing this out there again, either as an option or just part of the package . . . thoughts on packaging with the driver side cowl armor piece? Would add symmetry and aesthetics. Buying the regular set would be a waste of the passenger so if it were an option to add the driver or just as the overall package, that would be awesome.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugged_Ridge
I'm an old school Jeep guy.... It's just something you should be able to do!
It will be a sad day when this feature is deleted from the Jeep lineup.
Dropped the windshield every chance I got in my last CJ7... The new Rubicon does make it a pain the rear, I'll give you that.
All the best wheeling I have done over the years has been with no top, doors off and windshield down... Full cage in place!
On the CJ it isn't a headache. On my old TJ it wasn't cake but not nearly as bad as on the JK. The time and bolts to flip it down only to have it sit oddly on the hood just doesn't make it worth it :(. However i do agree, use it or not, that is something that should not be removed from the jeep design. It would be like hiding the hinges or making it a 4 slot grill.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas
Also just throwing this out there again, either as an option or just part of the package . . . thoughts on packaging with the driver side cowl armor piece? Would add symmetry and aesthetics. Buying the regular set would be a waste of the passenger so if it were an option to add the driver or just as the overall package, that would be awesome.
You know, I was wondering what is under the driver's side cowl. Your idea would work and look great, but maybe lets make it a small storage bin with a locking door. Would be good place for a strap, gloves, d-rings, etc. I don't know how much usable space would be there but I bet Rugged Ridge could design up something.
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